Northam to make permanent raise for teachers’ salaries

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

As long as salaries don’t get touched I don’t give a damn

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

As long as salaries don’t get touched I don’t give a damn

that's the point. reduction in enrollment, combined with reduced housing prices (because we "were" so well known for our exemplary education system which has gone down the drain), will mean a reduction in taxes. Therefore, a reduction in staffing/budgeting for schools. I give it 2 years max to kick in full force.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

As long as salaries don’t get touched I don’t give a damn

that's the point. reduction in enrollment, combined with reduced housing prices (because we "were" so well known for our exemplary education system which has gone down the drain), will mean a reduction in taxes. Therefore, a reduction in staffing/budgeting for schools. I give it 2 years max to kick in full force.

Good. Classes are overcrowded and real estate in this area is hyped and overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

As long as salaries don’t get touched I don’t give a damn

that's the point. reduction in enrollment, combined with reduced housing prices (because we "were" so well known for our exemplary education system which has gone down the drain), will mean a reduction in taxes. Therefore, a reduction in staffing/budgeting for schools. I give it 2 years max to kick in full force.

Good. Classes are overcrowded and real estate in this area is hyped and overrated.

Just the point, that all the teachers on here bashing parents will be in for a rude awakening when there's a RIF due to this awful mishandling of schooling during the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this extends to other staff. The pay for those who support the school (IAs, subs(!!!), custodians and food service) is way below where it should be for the amount of work required of them. Everything rolls downhill at schools and the lowest paid are put in the worst positions.

I'm a teacher and I agree x100!

Thank you! It is galling to hear complaints from admin and parents when they can't find anyone who can support a 2E child in math or language arts at the secondary level, or find qualified subs for special ed. Maybe, just maybe, they should try raising the pay above poverty wages and they could find people fluent in math or skilled enough to handle a special ed classroom. Also, the custodians and food service workers have been busting their asses this whole time. They deserve hazard pay.

SPED teachers should have their own pay scale that factors in the extra time for meetings, writing and updating IEPs, etc. Plus, SPED teachers that work with ED kids, etc should get bonuses.

Agreed, but I get the feeling that teachers are all married to lawyers or something. What constitutes being poorly paid? To me that's under $40,000 net pay after benefits. Are there a lot of teachers and staff who get paid this? I feel like each year teachers and staff get pretty high raises and each year are still "underpaid".

Pay might be ok but I wouldn’t agree with the part in bold.

Pay is not ok when I can’t afford a single family house on 60k before taxes.

How many years have you worked and why do you need a single family home with no other tenants if it's just you? Why not an apartment or condo or townhouse? DC is a big city and is expensive. Many people live in DC and make under $53,000 and still rent or own. For that amount, you could probably afford a house around $250,000. There are 111 single family homes I'm finding in Prince George's County, 5 homes in Prince William, 4 in Montgomery County, and 1 in Loudoun. Good luck on your home search.

Family of 4. Live in LoCo. Not trying to go elsewhere.

I am an ES teacher and assuming you have a MA $60k is about what a third year teacher makes. I wouldn’t expect most families of 4 with a single income earner 3 years into a career to be able to afford a SFH.

5th year but just BA. Not MA.

So you’re a 27 year old single earner without a masters in the most affluent and educated part of the country and you expect to be able to buy a SFH? Wow.

Hon— the cost of living here is high, housing values are off the charts and you are wayyyyy overvaluing your (relative to everyone else here) education and experience. You’d be a lot happier if you headed back to Alabama or tried a second career as a first wife. Although the clock is ticking on that one. Or be an Admin Assistant. If your cute, maybe that would work. And you could buy a charming little cottage with the salary. SMH.

She’s dumb to engage with you, but you’re a douche.

True. Although I’m not PP. but my “Grace” with whiny teachers not in classrooms is officially over. For about 10 months I had grace and was patient. But having Grace and patience and trusting people to do right by kids has hurt my kid so much. I’m over it with teachers. And a 27 year old in a single earner situation with a BA in any field in Loudoun County feeling *entitled* to a salary allowing for a SFH in LoCo is ridiculous. But very much in line with the: I’m a 27 year old who is posting my COVID Vaxx selfie and Cancun trip pics while having a classroom monitor teach my 1st grad class because I have an ADA for mild asthma and they can’t make me go back mentality.

I’m clear about the fact I’m being a douche. And it saddens me that I have reached the point where I am so angry and powerless that I ended up here. After a year of being nice. Vs this lady who has zero self awareness and definitely needs some.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

I know. DH and Inhave a Hs junior in a “good” school zone and desperately want to sell now. We bought a house in 8/2006 and never again. The financial hit was brutal. But, we have this kid we need to provide stability for during her last 1.5 years at home. I really wish we were in a position to sell. Everyone with any sense is.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the irony - when this all shakes out and NOVA realizes how many students they have lost to private/catholic schools, when word gets out how messed up our educational system is, housing prices will be affected, taxes will be affected, jobs in education will be affected. This is all going to look so different in a couple of years when the dust settles.

As long as salaries don’t get touched I don’t give a damn

that's the point. reduction in enrollment, combined with reduced housing prices (because we "were" so well known for our exemplary education system which has gone down the drain), will mean a reduction in taxes. Therefore, a reduction in staffing/budgeting for schools. I give it 2 years max to kick in full force.

Good. Classes are overcrowded and real estate in this area is hyped and overrated.

Yes. It is clear the housing market here is overvalued— because it is so closely tied to the schools. It will crash. Here. Because it’s tied to schools. But not nationally because of increased demand for more space for telework. All I can say about overcrowded classrooms when housing prices plummet is LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You weren’t a teacher in 2009-2010, were you? Plus, the students you are shedding are the ones who are cheapest and easiest to education. SNs, ELL and FARMS is staying. The kids whose mommies and daddies have the time and resources invest making sure their kids succeed in school are fleeing. FCPS relies on those kids not needing extras to get extras for SNs, ELL, and FARMS. The short sight ness of the teachers is frankly baffling.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this extends to other staff. The pay for those who support the school (IAs, subs(!!!), custodians and food service) is way below where it should be for the amount of work required of them. Everything rolls downhill at schools and the lowest paid are put in the worst positions.

I'm a teacher and I agree x100!

Thank you! It is galling to hear complaints from admin and parents when they can't find anyone who can support a 2E child in math or language arts at the secondary level, or find qualified subs for special ed. Maybe, just maybe, they should try raising the pay above poverty wages and they could find people fluent in math or skilled enough to handle a special ed classroom. Also, the custodians and food service workers have been busting their asses this whole time. They deserve hazard pay.

SPED teachers should have their own pay scale that factors in the extra time for meetings, writing and updating IEPs, etc. Plus, SPED teachers that work with ED kids, etc should get bonuses.

Agreed, but I get the feeling that teachers are all married to lawyers or something. What constitutes being poorly paid? To me that's under $40,000 net pay after benefits. Are there a lot of teachers and staff who get paid this? I feel like each year teachers and staff get pretty high raises and each year are still "underpaid".

Pay might be ok but I wouldn’t agree with the part in bold.

Pay is not ok when I can’t afford a single family house on 60k before taxes.

How many years have you worked and why do you need a single family home with no other tenants if it's just you? Why not an apartment or condo or townhouse? DC is a big city and is expensive. Many people live in DC and make under $53,000 and still rent or own. For that amount, you could probably afford a house around $250,000. There are 111 single family homes I'm finding in Prince George's County, 5 homes in Prince William, 4 in Montgomery County, and 1 in Loudoun. Good luck on your home search.

Family of 4. Live in LoCo. Not trying to go elsewhere.

I am an ES teacher and assuming you have a MA $60k is about what a third year teacher makes. I wouldn’t expect most families of 4 with a single income earner 3 years into a career to be able to afford a SFH.

5th year but just BA. Not MA.

So you’re a 27 year old single earner without a masters in the most affluent and educated part of the country and you expect to be able to buy a SFH? Wow.

Hon— the cost of living here is high, housing values are off the charts and you are wayyyyy overvaluing your (relative to everyone else here) education and experience. You’d be a lot happier if you headed back to Alabama or tried a second career as a first wife. Although the clock is ticking on that one. Or be an Admin Assistant. If your cute, maybe that would work. And you could buy a charming little cottage with the salary. SMH.

She’s dumb to engage with you, but you’re a douche.

True. Although I’m not PP. but my “Grace” with whiny teachers not in classrooms is officially over. For about 10 months I had grace and was patient. But having Grace and patience and trusting people to do right by kids has hurt my kid so much. I’m over it with teachers. And a 27 year old in a single earner situation with a BA in any field in Loudoun County feeling *entitled* to a salary allowing for a SFH in LoCo is ridiculous. But very much in line with the: I’m a 27 year old who is posting my COVID Vaxx selfie and Cancun trip pics while having a classroom monitor teach my 1st grad class because I have an ADA for mild asthma and they can’t make me go back mentality.

I’m clear about the fact I’m being a douche. And it saddens me that I have reached the point where I am so angry and powerless that I ended up here. After a year of being nice. Vs this lady who has zero self awareness and definitely needs some.

I agree that’s unacceptable, and things like that have happened. I believe them to be rare, however. Most teachers I know are working hard now, and going back. In large systems, you will get a few boobs here and there. I would report the Cancun photos to that teacher’s administrator. It’s a bad look. When choice opportunities arise, I promise you, she won’t get them.

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Anonymous wrote:GOOD NEWS: Because of our strong fiscal management, and Virginians working so hard to mitigate #COVID19, we are projecting an additional $700 million in revenues over the current budget cycle—that means a permanent raise for teachers and additional relief for Virginia families.

That cash belongs to us taxpayers.
Give it back!

That’s not how taxes work.

In many cases, that’s exactly how taxes work. Excess taxes are debated or used to pay down debt.

What I want to know is exactly how we ended up with a 700M surplus. If it is (as I suspect) because it is much cheaper not teach kids via DL without the building and maintenance overhead, then no. I am not in favor of using that money to reward the teachers who kept the schools shut.

Plus, if we are finally opening schools, why is this money not being spent to remediate every kid who needs it this summer? Teachers can earn their raise. Win-win.

+1,000%!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:GOOD NEWS: Because of our strong fiscal management, and Virginians working so hard to mitigate #COVID19, we are projecting an additional $700 million in revenues over the current budget cycle—that means a permanent raise for teachers and additional relief for Virginia families.

That cash belongs to us taxpayers.
Give it back!

That’s not how taxes work.

In many cases, that’s exactly how taxes work. Excess taxes are debated or used to pay down debt.

What I want to know is exactly how we ended up with a 700M surplus. If it is (as I suspect) because it is much cheaper not teach kids via DL without the building and maintenance overhead, then no. I am not in favor of using that money to reward the teachers who kept the schools shut.

Plus, if we are finally opening schools, why is this money not being spent to remediate every kid who needs it this summer? Teachers can earn their raise. Win-win.

+1,000%!!!!

Agreed - where exactly did this surplus come from? Aren't taxpayers privy to this information legally?? I love my kids' teachers. But let's face it, (for APS anyway), the teachers literally DID NOT TEACH March - June. This is a fact. Speaking for elementary, it has been the bare minimum since September with how many "planning days, asynchronous days, etc**. Tell me why we should use this surplus to provide raises when in addition to this, many of these teachers are fighting returning to teaching in-person?

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I know APS “did not teach”, but that wasn’t on the teachers. In fact, all of my DD’s MS teachers ignored BL and kept providing.content the rest of the year. I think that was harder in ES and was dependent upon the students being accountable to themselves, but mine didn’t sit around not learning.

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Wow. So many assholes in one place.

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Anonymous wrote:GOOD NEWS: Because of our strong fiscal management, and Virginians working so hard to mitigate #COVID19, we are projecting an additional $700 million in revenues over the current budget cycle—that means a permanent raise for teachers and additional relief for Virginia families.

That cash belongs to us taxpayers.
Give it back!

That’s not how taxes work.

In many cases, that’s exactly how taxes work. Excess taxes are debated or used to pay down debt.

What I want to know is exactly how we ended up with a 700M surplus. If it is (as I suspect) because it is much cheaper not teach kids via DL without the building and maintenance overhead, then no. I am not in favor of using that money to reward the teachers who kept the schools shut.

Plus, if we are finally opening schools, why is this money not being spent to remediate every kid who needs it this summer? Teachers can earn their raise. Win-win.

+1,000%!!!!

Agreed - where exactly did this surplus come from? Aren't taxpayers privy to this information legally?? I love my kids' teachers. But let's face it, (for APS anyway), the teachers literally DID NOT TEACH March - June. This is a fact. Speaking for elementary, it has been the bare minimum since September with how many "planning days, asynchronous days, etc**. Tell me why we should use this surplus to provide raises when in addition to this, many of these teachers are fighting returning to teaching in-person?

Maybe because less and less teachers are willing to serve as society’s scapegoats? Maybe you need to pay them more so that people won’t leave the profession in droves? Look how worked up you all get about spending time with your own 1-4 kids. Teachers have to deal with up to 30 of them at once. It is tough work and the ones who enjoy it and are talented at it are not as widespread as you might think.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. So many assholes in one place.

I know, right? Although to be fair, in the near future all the assholes will all be back together in the teachers lounge taking there masks off and giving each other COVID. Since teacher to teacher transmission is much more common than student to student or student to teacher.

Cheers!

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Anonymous wrote:GOOD NEWS: Because of our strong fiscal management, and Virginians working so hard to mitigate #COVID19, we are projecting an additional $700 million in revenues over the current budget cycle—that means a permanent raise for teachers and additional relief for Virginia families.

That cash belongs to us taxpayers.
Give it back!

That’s not how taxes work.

In many cases, that’s exactly how taxes work. Excess taxes are debated or used to pay down debt.

What I want to know is exactly how we ended up with a 700M surplus. If it is (as I suspect) because it is much cheaper not teach kids via DL without the building and maintenance overhead, then no. I am not in favor of using that money to reward the teachers who kept the schools shut.

Plus, if we are finally opening schools, why is this money not being spent to remediate every kid who needs it this summer? Teachers can earn their raise. Win-win.

+1,000%!!!!

Agreed - where exactly did this surplus come from? Aren't taxpayers privy to this information legally?? I love my kids' teachers. But let's face it, (for APS anyway), the teachers literally DID NOT TEACH March - June. This is a fact. Speaking for elementary, it has been the bare minimum since September with how many "planning days, asynchronous days, etc**. Tell me why we should use this surplus to provide raises when in addition to this, many of these teachers are fighting returning to teaching in-person?

The lack of instruction (speaking for ES) in the past 12 months is alarming and disheartening. These poor kids will be so far behind.