Test optional results

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Anonymous wrote:Admitted to Brown.

What were the stats?

4.53 W GPA and 4.0 UW. 12 AP classes all 5s and 4s, including AP Spanish (so six years of foreign language).

Good ECs and leadership roles. Won a county-wide scholarship contest to study abroad. Strong essay and good refs

Nothing out of the ordinary in other words.

She got 1460 on SAT but decided not to include.

Great stats. The only Brown admittees I know were URM.

AP scores are a type of test score. They lend some credibility to the AP grades.

Why not? 1460 is great.

DP: It is barely above their 25th percentile.

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.

You signed an electronic agreement, as did your student and high school counselor, that communicated it.

PP here--are you guys upset that my low stat kid got into good schools? Sure sounds like it.

NP I’m a big believer in test-optional, and I was thrilled for your daughter since she’s exactly the sort of student who proves why test-optional is so important. I just think you’re a selfish asshole. And a stupid one, since if your kid does get into her dream school and breaks the contract with VT, your family will take a lot of heat—from VT, from your high school, from other families at your high school whose hardworking, honest, ethical kids will suffer because of your selfishness. You’re just terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

To all the pitchforks out there. You do realize most colleges are struggling financially at the moment. Revenue generating activities are non-existent (no tickets sales from college games) and you really can't charge room and board if your students are learning remotely. All of a sudden, your average/below average full-pay out-of-state student is a very attractive option. I do not think colleges care about where your kid was accepted ED, they want your money.

Well you have certainly deluded yourself into thinking that... but I'd suggest a call to your high school counselor at the very least to make sure you understand what is at stake for your kid (not you, your kid)

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^^Wouldn’t the top choice school find out about this and withdraw its acceptance - potentially leaving the student with no acceptances? Honor code is important to schools, particularly the top ones that get scrutinized for fairness, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

To all the pitchforks out there. You do realize most colleges are struggling financially at the moment. Revenue generating activities are non-existent (no tickets sales from college games) and you really can't charge room and board if your students are learning remotely. All of a sudden, your average/below average full-pay out-of-state student is a very attractive option. I do not think colleges care about where your kid was accepted ED, they want your money.

Well you have certainly deluded yourself into thinking that... but I'd suggest a call to your high school counselor at the very least to make sure you understand what is at stake for your kid (not you, your kid)

I think it is a troll. No one is so arrogant that they would risk their kid’s college acceptance by refusing to pull apps after an ED acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

To all the pitchforks out there. You do realize most colleges are struggling financially at the moment. Revenue generating activities are non-existent (no tickets sales from college games) and you really can't charge room and board if your students are learning remotely. All of a sudden, your average/below average full-pay out-of-state student is a very attractive option. I do not think colleges care about where your kid was accepted ED, they want your money.

Well you have certainly deluded yourself into thinking that... but I'd suggest a call to your high school counselor at the very least to make sure you understand what is at stake for your kid (not you, your kid)

I think it is a troll. No one is so arrogant that they would risk their kid’s college acceptance by refusing to pull apps after an ED acceptance.

I think the Varsity Blues scandal shows us there are plenty of arrogant parents trying to game college admissions through unethical behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Wouldn’t the top choice school find out about this and withdraw its acceptance - potentially leaving the student with no acceptances? Honor code is important to schools, particularly the top ones that get scrutinized for fairness, etc.

yep this is a real possibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Tech EA has even come out yet so yes this poster truly did have their kid apply ED with every intention of breaking that contact. Unbelievable that you'd consider that and even more so that you'd go around bragging about it lol

+100 As a parent of a kid anxiously awaiting Tech EA decisions, this pisses me off. He also had a reach he wanted to take a shot at so he correctly applied EA to VT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a new statistic that might be useful. Of the 48,000 UVA applications sent in this year (ED, EA and RD), 43% did not submit scores. However we don't know how that decision
impacted getting in or not. https://uvamagazine.org/articles/undergraduate_application_rates_hit_records?utm_source=initial&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=february-enews-21

Right. That’s the info I want to know. Of those *accepted,* how many sent in scores (or rather, did NOT send in scores). Until they make that public, I feel very skeptical about “test-optional.”

Chicago went test-optional in 2018, so its experience could be instructive. In 2019, similar percentages of applicants and admitted students did not submit scores.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2019-09-13/what-to-know-about-applying-to-test-optional-colleges

Key quote:

UChicago made the decision to go test-optional because admission is determined by more than test scores, Nondorf says. Only about 10% to 15% of applicants used the test-optional policy, and roughly the same percentage were admitted that way and chose to attend. In part because of the new policy and increased financial aid offerings, the university saw a 20% rise in low-income and first-generation students for its latest admitted class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^Wouldn’t the top choice school find out about this and withdraw its acceptance - potentially leaving the student with no acceptances? Honor code is important to schools, particularly the top ones that get scrutinized for fairness, etc.

yep this is a real possibility.

If it’s a school in high demand, which I would assume is the case, they will have no problem rescinding admission and slotting in a more deserving applicant.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought USC has always been and always will be Southern Cal. Is this no longer the case?

Mostly it is.

Well, what should University of South Carolina be called then?

U of SC not USC

When I was getting a grad degree at the University of South Carolina, the school sweatshirts people wore were either "USC" or "Carolina". Both terms mean something else to out of state folks, but "Carolina" is clear to the target demographic. Nobody in Columbia particularly gives a crap what people from out of state call the school in southern California or the one in Chapel Hill, and it doesn't occur to them to ever give it a thought.

Nobody ever said "U of SC" and I've never seen that printed anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Wouldn’t the top choice school find out about this and withdraw its acceptance - potentially leaving the student with no acceptances? Honor code is important to schools, particularly the top ones that get scrutinized for fairness, etc.

DC knew a student who by Dec of freshman year was asked to leave college exactly for this reason. This parent is either a troll or they do not know what they are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought USC has always been and always will be Southern Cal. Is this no longer the case?

Mostly it is.

Well, what should University of South Carolina be called then?

U of SC not USC

When I was getting a grad degree at the University of South Carolina, the school sweatshirts people wore were either "USC" or "Carolina". Both terms mean something else to out of state folks, but "Carolina" is clear to the target demographic. Nobody in Columbia particularly gives a crap what people from out of state call the school in southern California or the one in Chapel Hill, and it doesn't occur to them to ever give it a thought.

Nobody ever said "U of SC" and I've never seen that printed anywhere.

Google using those words and you will see.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought USC has always been and always will be Southern Cal. Is this no longer the case?

Mostly it is.

Well, what should University of South Carolina be called then?

U of SC not USC

When I was getting a grad degree at the University of South Carolina, the school sweatshirts people wore were either "USC" or "Carolina". Both terms mean something else to out of state folks, but "Carolina" is clear to the target demographic. Nobody in Columbia particularly gives a crap what people from out of state call the school in southern California or the one in Chapel Hill, and it doesn't occur to them to ever give it a thought.

Nobody ever said "U of SC" and I've never seen that printed anywhere.

Google using those words and you will see.

+1 USC is trademarked for U California

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