Petition - MCPS: Do Not Change Metrics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Look the names of the people signing the petition. A large percentage of them are MCPS teachers and staff.

Let's not pretend that we don't know what's going on here. This is a plot by MCEA to keep teachers home with no regard for the well-being of students.

How do you know a large percentage of the signers are MCPS staff? I opened the petition and there are 2,000 +signatures. It says something like “Jane Smith signed 8 minutes ago.” I’m not seeing a list of all people who signed. Even if that is possible, how do you know the majority are teachers? I read the comments as well and while some state they are staff (and these people also say they are both teachers and parents), others definitely sound like parents.

These petitions are useless. Anyone with an email address can sign it. I know for a fact that this petition was generated by a group of teachers against returning until the pandemic is over. It has MCEA written all over it. I don't hold it against them, but please do not pretend it is a wide spread issue among parents and teachers. Students will have a choice to return or not...as they should.

You know this for a fact, how?

I know the private Facebook page...have a teacher friend who shared the screenshots with me.

[Anonymous]

MCPS uses the best metrics!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look the names of the people signing the petition. A large percentage of them are MCPS teachers and staff.

Let's not pretend that we don't know what's going on here. This is a plot by MCEA to keep teachers home with no regard for the well-being of students.

How do you know a large percentage of the signers are MCPS staff? I opened the petition and there are 2,000 +signatures. It says something like “Jane Smith signed 8 minutes ago.” I’m not seeing a list of all people who signed. Even if that is possible, how do you know the majority are teachers? I read the comments as well and while some state they are staff (and these people also say they are both teachers and parents), others definitely sound like parents.

These petitions are useless. Anyone with an email address can sign it. I know for a fact that this petition was generated by a group of teachers against returning until the pandemic is over. It has MCEA written all over it. I don't hold it against them, but please do not pretend it is a wide spread issue among parents and teachers. Students will have a choice to return or not...as they should.

You know this for a fact, how?

I know the private Facebook page...have a teacher friend who shared the screenshots with me.

I heard the re-open MCPS petition was created by a pro-Trump Russian troll farm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

+1. MCPS simply chose not to use the information and sit on their hands instead. Fear and inertia, plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

No, we did not then have the information that schools in the US (or elsewhere) could open without significantly increasing community transmission, because that hadn't happened yet. Also, every school district in the area, and almost every large school district in the US, made exactly the same decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Do you not realize how serious Covid is to many? There is no safe way to open.

The word "safe" has lost all meaning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

No, we did not then have the information that schools in the US (or elsewhere) could open without significantly increasing community transmission, because that hadn't happened yet. Also, every school district in the area, and almost every large school district in the US, made exactly the same decision.

The same *wrong* decision.

There was data from Europe, BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS uses the best metrics!

C'mon. Ukrainian trolls do better than this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

Are you one of those privates posters who doesn't care about other people? If we open/close multiple times it will be an even worse child care issue. Very few people are asking for in person given many didn't respond to the survey.

[Anonymous]

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Are you one of those privates posters who doesn't care about other people? If we open/close multiple times it will be an even worse child care issue. Very few people are asking for in person given many didn't respond to the survey.

Specifically, 63,352 students.

A tiny number.

Wait, what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow how incredibly out of touch can these people be? After they saw such a huge drop in grades and MAP scores, and heard that students are suffering mentally and educationally, they continue to push for school closures. MCPS should do the same thing that FFX and Loundon did. They told their teachers come back or resign.

Part of the grade issue is parents aren't requiring their kids to do the work so there is no accountability. My child had a huge drop in their map m score. Why cares? I'd rather a drop in MAP scores than one more person getting sick or dying. Are your really that out of touch about the fact we are in a pandemic? Opening is not and option and other schools are now shutting again.

Really? You would sacrifice all education if it stopped one person getting sick? Do you understand that there is always a risk of people getting sick and dying, even during non-covid times?

This country is so screwed. The "all or nothing" approach that characterizes every single issue is profoundly unhelpful, and prevents any attempt to build consensus.

To live is to live with risk. The question is what is the safest way to reopen schools, and are cases at a level where we can have in-person learning. Now, at current rates, it is not clear that schools should be open. But in September the situation was very different. For sure schools could and should have opened then.

Yeah, if only we had a time machine, so that we could go back to September with the information we gained between September and November, and then make a different decision in September.

BS

We had the information then. Plenty of other public school districts chose to reopen in the Fall. Many private schools, right here in Montgomery County reopened.

Sure, some may have had to close down again for the Winter now that numbers are up, but at least the kids got a few months of in-person learning in.

Are you one of those privates posters who doesn't care about other people? If we open/close multiple times it will be an even worse child care issue. Very few people are asking for in person given many didn't respond to the survey.

The vast majority of people responded. Among those we responded, it was almost exactly evenly split between those who wanted to go back and those who didn't. That is a far cry from "very few people" asking for in person.

[Anonymous]

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The vast majority of people responded. Among those we responded, it was almost exactly evenly split between those who wanted to go back and those who didn't. That is a far cry from "very few people" asking for in person.

Meaning, 79%. There were no responses for 21% of students - more than 1 in 5.

Honest to Pete, folks, it's just not that hard to look up the numbers.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/60-of-mcps-students-will-remain-fully-virtual-second-semester/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The vast majority of people responded. Among those we responded, it was almost exactly evenly split between those who wanted to go back and those who didn't. That is a far cry from "very few people" asking for in person.

Meaning, 79%. There were no responses for 21% of students - more than 1 in 5.

Honest to Pete, folks, it's just not that hard to look up the numbers.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/60-of-mcps-students-will-remain-fully-virtual-second-semester/

79% responding is far closer to the "vast majority" than it is "very few," no?