Number of Applicants for TJ this year ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

Stop playing the victim. It is designed to promote a student body that is more representative of the student population in Fairfax County and other participating jurisdictions.

If so, we should do the same for all programs under the fcps not just TJ. Sport teams, student government, PTA, teachers, school administrators etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

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And changes only made because white applications were dwindling since they didn’t want to go to school with Asian American kids. Black and Hispanic kids have aways been underrepresented but this proposal comes to appease white families. See the podcast Nice, White Families, episode 3.

Not true.
Look at what else is being discussed today at the forums. This is all about BLM.

I agree with PP. This is about white families. When you look at the historical admissions data in the packet, black and Hispanic kids have always been underrepresented - their graph lines look quite steady - and nobody cared. The only demonstrable change that spurred this action (which started before George Floyd was killed and BLM became a national discussion) is the significant rise in Asian applications/acceptances and the significant drop in white applicationss/acceptances - the data tells the whole story.

Suggest you go watch the work session going on right now. It is all about "identify." Specifically, there has been too much white identity in Virginia History. History used to be about events and the people involved in those events. Now, it is no longer history being taught but sociology.

TJ admissions is not about getting more white kids. Just look at the people driving the change. Fairfax NAACP, for one.

I will do that - thanks for suggesting. I have certainly been wrong before!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

Stop playing the victim. It is designed to promote a student body that is more representative of the student population in Fairfax County and other participating jurisdictions.

If so, we should do the same for all programs under the fcps not just TJ. Sport teams, student government, PTA, teachers, school administrators etc. etc.

Why?

[Anonymous]

is this for the upcoming year, as in, I have a DD who was considering applying for class of 2025?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

Dont. It is what many people dont get.

Improving math, reading comprehension and writing skills is the main point. TJ is only a part of the story.

It is like complaining that you wasted all your health insurance premiums because you did not get cancer and use up insurance dollars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

Dont. It is what many people dont get.

Improving math, reading comprehension and writing skills is the main point. TJ is only a part of the story.

It is like complaining that you wasted all your health insurance premiums because you did not get cancer and use up insurance dollars.

Man, I would love to believe that. But if there is no exam moving forward, I would STRONGLY expect that the TJ prep industry would dry up REAL fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:is this for the upcoming year, as in, I have a DD who was considering applying for class of 2025?

It does appear that way but hasn't been confirmed yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

Stop playing the victim. It is designed to promote a student body that is more representative of the student population in Fairfax County and other participating jurisdictions.

If so, we should do the same for all programs under the fcps not just TJ. Sport teams, student government, PTA, teachers, school administrators etc. etc.

Why?

All those (paid for by County tax payers) do not represent the county demographics just like TJ demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

Dont. It is what many people dont get.

Improving math, reading comprehension and writing skills is the main point. TJ is only a part of the story.

It is like complaining that you wasted all your health insurance premiums because you did not get cancer and use up insurance dollars.

This is true.. enrichment centers will help improve math and reading.. If this thing gets approved, they will simply change the focus back to academic enrichment and not the test prep as there is no need to prep specifically for TJ anymore. Also TJ will no longer be as attractive for kids as it was before. Even the base school will have mix of top students who would have otherwise be gone to TJ. In fact, if your base school is Langley, McLean or Oakton, then TJ will not be much of an improvement over the base school anymore as base schools will have a significant number of students would could have gone to TJ but missed out due to lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

The fact that it is DESIGNED to increase other populations and that its EFFECT will be to reduce the Asian American population doesn't mean that it's DESIGNED to reduce it. Not everything is about you.

It actually is DESIGNED to reduce Asian American population. Just because you can hit the caps lock button doesn’t mean you are right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

I hadn't thought about this aspect - another unintended effect may be to even further exacerbate the inequities between the "best" (highest SES) HS and the legacy schools. I suppose we will just have to watch the demographics.

Dont. It is what many people dont get.

Improving math, reading comprehension and writing skills is the main point. TJ is only a part of the story.

It is like complaining that you wasted all your health insurance premiums because you did not get cancer and use up insurance dollars.

This is true.. enrichment centers will help improve math and reading.. If this thing gets approved, they will simply change the focus back to academic enrichment and not the test prep as there is no need to prep specifically for TJ anymore. Also TJ will no longer be as attractive for kids as it was before. Even the base school will have mix of top students who would have otherwise be gone to TJ. In fact, if your base school is Langley, McLean or Oakton, then TJ will not be much of an improvement over the base school anymore as base schools will have a significant number of students would could have gone to TJ but missed out due to lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

What you also need to see, is that this clearly benefits one race more than any other (surprise, it's not Black or Hispanic). The goal appears to be to increase White enrollments, since they go up by the maximum percentage in the projections for each year. This whole thing was never about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment more than a token amount. Pitting minorities against each other - divide and rule - hm, this playbook is familiar.

That's just not correct at all. The white population would increase in the proposed change by about 33%. The Black and Hispanic populations would increase by several hundred percent.

And besides the fact, the far greater predictor of what will happen will come from what sort of impact the new policy will have on quality applications from each demographic.

I do feel somewhat for the folks who spent all that money on test prep during 7th grade - they definitely got sold a bill of goods.

Dont. It is what many people dont get.

Improving math, reading comprehension and writing skills is the main point. TJ is only a part of the story.

It is like complaining that you wasted all your health insurance premiums because you did not get cancer and use up insurance dollars.

This is true.. enrichment centers will help improve math and reading.. If this thing gets approved, they will simply change the focus back to academic enrichment and not the test prep as there is no need to prep specifically for TJ anymore. Also TJ will no longer be as attractive for kids as it was before. Even the base school will have mix of top students who would have otherwise be gone to TJ. In fact, if your base school is Langley, McLean or Oakton, then TJ will not be much of an improvement over the base school anymore as base schools will have a significant number of students would could have gone to TJ but missed out due to lottery.

Ehh.... Base schools won't have the labs or the uniquely advanced STEM curriculum. I'd bet the top students go private instead as there are plenty of exceptional advanced academic private schools in the area.

[Anonymous]

It only requires two points of comparison with TJ to see that this whole exercise is less about improving Black and Hispanic enrollment and more about improving White enrollment:

The first is a public school some 15 or so miles away from TJ - Langley High School, ranked 2nd in Virginia, where exactly 1.96% of the student body is Black. New building, well supplied labs and clubs, and the zoning here is such that adjoining Mclean High School (with a significantly higher black and hispanic enrollment) is overcrowded. This is the definition of systemic racism (exacerbated by zoning and redlining) leading to disparate educational outcomes. Why is there no outrage about this? That's because it isn't Asians taking seats away from Whites is it?

Well, Langley High School isn't a Governor's school like TJ, so let's look at one:
Maggie Walker High School is a governor's school. It's also named after the first black woman to own a bank in the US. No Black or Hispanic students from Hanover have gotten into the Maggie Walker Governor’s School since at least 2015, according to data sent from the county school system. Maggie Walker had only nine Hispanic students during the 2019-2020 school year. In Richmond Public Schools, a district made primarily of Black students and an ever-growing Latino population, 30 out of the 39 students selected to attend the governor’s school in the 2019-20 school year were white. This isn't because of a lack of black applicants - 53% of applicants from Richmond public schools to Maggie Walker were black. Why is there no outrage? Well that's because 72% of its enrollment is White.