Northeastern kicks out 11 students for not following COVID 19 requirements

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If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

[Anonymous]

My kid is in the same program as the 11 kids, so let me just point a few things out that I see as incorrect on this thread.

1. My kid opted to stay home and is learning virtually here in Maryland. There was an option for them to go virtual.

2. Not everyone pays the full sticker price. We don't.

3. You can apply directly into this program. It is not just fallout from the regular application program.

4. The students deserved to be punished. There is no way they did not know the rules. It was pushed all summer long. The punishment is harsh, but there is an appeal process and we will see how this plays out. I would not be surprised if they quietly get some money back, while leaving the harsh message in tact. The kids were also not expelled.

NEU invested many dollars to build out testing and other infrastructure to open. I read somewhere it was $50M. They do not want to lose that investment just because some immature, but probably decent kids can't control themselves. The other students would also be mad if they had to go home because of the immaturity of a few.

NEU currently has a 0.06% positivity rate (60K tests, 32 positives) so it is working so far. We will keep our fingers crossed, but there is no way to keep this up without tough measures. Going to campus is not for everyone. Hopefully, next semester, my kid will be ready for Boston.

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Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Northeastern is looking great to me.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

It’s only steep if you weren’t told a million times by the university exactly what the consequences are. They knew, they risked it and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

It’s only steep if you weren’t told a million times by the university exactly what the consequences are. They knew, they risked it and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

I doubt they'll keep the $20,000 tuition payment for the fall semester. It's all bluster. It would be totally unethical to do that, especially for students who took out loans to make that payment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Northeastern has dismissed 11 first-year students after they were discovered together in a room at the Westin Hotel in Boston on Wednesday night, in violation of university and public health protocols that prohibit crowded gatherings.”

No refunds of tuition will be provided.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/09/04/northeastern-dismisses-11-students-for-gathering-in-violation-of-covid-19-policies/

Good for Northeastern. Massachusetts didn’t shut down so Logan airport could open up and let the students come in to party.

Damn straight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

College students are adults (no one jump on me they are mostly over 18, adults) that means they are responsible for their own actions. It's not like they do not know the ramifications of covid, and that they were not told the rules before returning to campus.

Just because their tiny brains are not formed completely and we all know they do stupid things, yes they should be expelled. They knew the consequences. And their actions affect others. Selfish and I have zero empathy.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

It’s only steep if you weren’t told a million times by the university exactly what the consequences are. They knew, they risked it and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

I doubt they'll keep the $20,000 tuition payment for the fall semester. It's all bluster. It would be totally unethical to do that, especially for students who took out loans to make that payment.

how is it unethical?

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Because the school was prepping for it to happen. They can't undertake the expense of providing a safe environment so are hoping for failures to jump on.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

It’s only steep if you weren’t told a million times by the university exactly what the consequences are. They knew, they risked it and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

I doubt they'll keep the $20,000 tuition payment for the fall semester. It's all bluster. It would be totally unethical to do that, especially for students who took out loans to make that payment.

how is it unethical?

are they going to spend the semester expelling kids? If they leave it to the 11, is it fair to make an example of them? If they keep the tuition, I'm sure they'll end up in court defending the decision and I'm sure they reasoning for choosing those 11 will get a lot of scrutiny

[Anonymous]

Really bad decision on Northeastern’s part. I question the judgement of the school’s administration. My kid has crossed it off the list to apply next year

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Anonymous wrote:If you want students to go back in person, these are the measures you need to accept. If they were lenient about it, they risk a wider outbreak that shuts down the entire program for all students. They've paid for the hotel space and calculated a budget based on a certain amount of tuition payments - you can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is arguing students can have it both ways. The question is whether the punishment fits the crime. Does it? Expelling kids is a dramatic act. Why expel rather than send them home for the year? Does expelling kids for something like this serve as a worthy example to other students, or will it only cause outrage and a sense of unfairness due to the excessive nature of the punishment.

Northeastern isn't coming out looking well.

Except that they didn't expel them. Northeastern sent them home from the program, and they will be allowed back on campus in the spring. So if your preferred option was sending them home for the year, I expect your next post will be that you support what Northeastern did.

DP. I think pp meant send them home to DL for the year. It seem Northeastern kicked them out for the semester and kept their tuition money. That's an extremely steep penalty for eighteen year olds.

It’s only steep if you weren’t told a million times by the university exactly what the consequences are. They knew, they risked it and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

I doubt they'll keep the $20,000 tuition payment for the fall semester. It's all bluster. It would be totally unethical to do that, especially for students who took out loans to make that payment.

how is it unethical?

are they going to spend the semester expelling kids? If they leave it to the 11, is it fair to make an example of them? If they keep the tuition, I'm sure they'll end up in court defending the decision and I'm sure they reasoning for choosing those 11 will get a lot of scrutiny

Well I suppose Northeastern would say we chose these 11 students because they were the ones we found in the room. Or are you saying there were 40 kids in the room but only 11 were sent home?

We will see if they spend the semester sending kids home for violating the rules. Would it be preferable to send everyone home now for the actions of a few?