WSJ: the Secrets of Elite College Admissions

[Anonymous]

Top 15 or "Ivy Plus" has been a thing for a while.

Ivies make 8
Stanford, Duke, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Cal Tech (I guess?)...Hopkins? Makes 15.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top 15 or "Ivy Plus" has been a thing for a while.

Ivies make 8
Stanford, Duke, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Cal Tech (I guess?)...Hopkins? Makes 15.

Do people just add Cornell in there just because? It hasn't been "top15" in a decade, Confused as to how Emory would be viewed differently from it or Brown the other ivy that's ranked 15. Brown could easily be out of the top 15 this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Davidson College, Emory University and the University of Washington, aren’t exactly “elite.” They are solid, high ranking schools. Elite would be like T10.

You have a skewed sense of the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Davidson College, Emory University and the University of Washington, aren’t exactly “elite.” They are solid, high ranking schools. Elite would be like T10.

They are elite schools. Since there are only 8 Ivies and 400,000 plus or minus students other schools have moved up. There just isn’t room in the Ivies for every qualified student.

Also, they aren't elite due to superior education. It is mostly a NE status thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Davidson College, Emory University and the University of Washington, aren’t exactly “elite.” They are solid, high ranking schools. Elite would be like T10.

They are elite schools. Since there are only 8 Ivies and 400,000 plus or minus students other schools have moved up. There just isn’t room in the Ivies for every qualified student.

Also, they aren't elite due to superior education. It is mostly a NE status thing.

I think pp meant WUSTL. Univ of Washington is perhaps elite in CS, but respectable in other fields.

[Anonymous]

Only T5 are definite elites. By any measure, Emory is a certain no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only T5 are definite elites. By any measure, Emory is a certain no.

Glad you are the ultimate decider of what is “elite”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only T5 are definite elites. By any measure, Emory is a certain no.

Sucks for Stanford, just missing the cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only T5 are definite elites. By any measure, Emory is a certain no.

Me: Why does it matter what is "elite"?
You: Because we need to be precise with our language. We can't just throw around the word "elite" willy nilly.
Me: Why does that matter?
You: Because people will have the wrong impression of which schools are elite. They'll apply to the wrong schools!
Me: Students are deciding which schools to which to apply based on whether they're considered "elite"?
You: Yes, as they should!
Me:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 15 or "Ivy Plus" has been a thing for a while.

Ivies make 8
Stanford, Duke, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Cal Tech (I guess?)...Hopkins? Makes 15.

Do people just add Cornell in there just because? It hasn't been "top15" in a decade, Confused as to how Emory would be viewed differently from it or Brown the other ivy that's ranked 15. Brown could easily be out of the top 15 this year.

Nobody takes the US News list hyper-literally. Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern... Hopkins. That's probably never going to be disrupted. Perhaps the only top 25 college making a run at the top 15 is Notre Dame, due to fundraising prowess.

[Anonymous]

Top 5, top 15, top 25, who cares? This is why some 40% of the population thinks "Washington elites" are nuts and want to tear down the status quo. Most people in the US are not going to any of these schools: they're all elite. Congrats if your kid gets into the elitest-of-the-elite, but it's probably a good idea to keep the hair-splitting to yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 15 or "Ivy Plus" has been a thing for a while.

Ivies make 8
Stanford, Duke, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Cal Tech (I guess?)...Hopkins? Makes 15.

Do people just add Cornell in there just because? It hasn't been "top15" in a decade, Confused as to how Emory would be viewed differently from it or Brown the other ivy that's ranked 15. Brown could easily be out of the top 15 this year.

Thanks for bringing up Cornell disastrous reputation AGAIN. We had nearly forgotten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top 5, top 15, top 25, who cares? This is why some 40% of the population thinks "Washington elites" are nuts and want to tear down the status quo. Most people in the US are not going to any of these schools: they're all elite. Congrats if your kid gets into the elitest-of-the-elite, but it's probably a good idea to keep the hair-splitting to yourself.

Just means they're a cut above. There's a noticeable dropoff in status, selectivity, endowment, cachet once you get into the teens. WashU, Emory, Vandy, Georgetown, Rice are fine schools, but they're not elite. Georgetown is freaking broke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only T5 are definite elites. By any measure, Emory is a certain no.

Sucks for Stanford, just missing the cut.

Stanford is in T5.

T5 = HYPMS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 15 or "Ivy Plus" has been a thing for a while.

Ivies make 8
Stanford, Duke, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Cal Tech (I guess?)...Hopkins? Makes 15.

Do people just add Cornell in there just because? It hasn't been "top15" in a decade, Confused as to how Emory would be viewed differently from it or Brown the other ivy that's ranked 15. Brown could easily be out of the top 15 this year.

You got rejected by both Brown and Cornell? Sorry that must hurt badly.





(ps a little hint: next time make your case with data on the points USN uses in their formula and you will be less obvious Here is the formula for you to do so with: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings).