3 teachers taught from a empty classroom, all caught COVID & 1 died

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Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.

Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.

So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.

Many many other countries have dealt with this with covid numbers comparable to the dmv and rest of Northeast. There really wasn’t much of an impact from schools opening.

Same poster, of course, AZ, TX, Fl and SoCal should not reopen schools until they get their numbers down to our levels. But we don’t live there, we live on an area with an extremely competent covid response.

“It won’t happen here” attitude is very shortsighted. It’s spreading across US beyond the states you listed. Come fall, it stays the same you think? We are a protected DMV bubble? Nah

Many other countries who opened school have re-closed due to spread.

Seriously the stupidest response ever.

Our numbers are good because we don’t test everyone fudge numbers, and make claims that serve our agenda, conservative governors/mayors and people have to wear masks.

The states that are having problems have none of these things,

It’s not dumb luck that we are doing well, it’s the Policies implemented.

And btw, less than one percent of the schools re opened worldwide since spring have closed due to covid, and then only for a few weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:And btw, less than one percent of the schools re opened worldwide since spring have closed due to covid, and then only for a few weeks.

Because spread was very low in those countries when they reopened ... less than 10 new cases per million per day.

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Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

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Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.

This has nothing to do with schools.

Yes, it does. They spread it. That is the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

With the proposed hybrid plans, teachers will be in a classroom every day of the week. Students will remain in their classroom all day. They will eat lunch in their classroom (and someone will bring the lunch to the classroom if they buy lunch). They will have specials in the classroom (so the specialists teachers will be in all classrooms and a second adult in each classroom). What about special education teachers and ESOL teachers. They plug-in classrooms (more adults in the classroom). Does your child’s school have a partnership with a university and have student interns? (yet another adult in the classroom). This is a recipe for disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:So three adults shared a space and spread the virus among each other.

This has nothing to do with schools.

Yes, it does. They spread it. That is the point.

Yes it does. Read in-depth the report and go to Vounseking and it mentions
Parents
Classmates
Teachers passing
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I almost choked reading this .. assuming it relays to Covid?

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PP here
Passing = DEAD

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Counseling not Vounseling stupid phone

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. So even distance learning isn’t safe. I think we just need to accept this will be a list year. Use some of the saved money for more PPE for hospitals.

How is it not safe? Those teachers should not have been sharing a room.

I feel like you don't know anything about how schools work.

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Outdoor classes might be an idea, but not sure how that would work in September in Az.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all workplaces are created equal, and people have a right to fear for their lives.

Sure. And you have the right to decide whether or not you go to work. You don't have the right to decide that your employer will continue to pay you. It is the same for all of us.

So what are you going to do when teachers retire or quit rather than go to work, and they can't be replaced (at all, or in time for the school year)? What are you going to do when teachers do go back to work, and then get sick, and then schools have to be closed? What are you going to do when there are no subs, because subs are quite often older women (often retired teachers), and they don't want to work, either? Treating it like a purely individual decision is missing the point. It's a systemic issue that needs a systemic solution.

I'll do the same thing I am doing now. My kid hasn't been to school since February, I figured it out then. The solution isn't to waste more tax money paying teachers not to teach. You can argue all you want, but online school is in no way an equivalent service and should be priced accordingly.

In an environment where teachers and staff are worried for their health and lives and those of their loved ones and constantly having to enforce safety for themselves and their 20-30 students, how much of a better education do you think those kids will get vs the ones learning at home with teachers who are not under the same stressors? In person schools during a pandemic will serve mainly as babysitting and food for working parents.

How do you think your trash gets collected? How do you think your groceries appear? What exactly do you think the rest of the world has been doing? Where do you think those kids are now? Their parents are at work and they are in congregate child care settings where workers who are no less important than you care for them. Why do you believe that you get a pass by saying that you're going to half-ass it no matter what?

Stop equating the risk level of catching COVID for all jobs. Trash collectors don't sit in a room with thirty kids (and other adults) for seven hours a day. They're in a truck with one other person and their job is performed outside. The people in the grocery store are currently sitting behind plexiglass and stores have the right to refuse entry/service to people not wearing a mask. Teachers are going to be stuck in un-airconditioned, unventilated classrooms for hours at a time with groups of people who may or may not be wearing a mask, who require physical assistance with activities such as tying shoes and blowing their noses, and who don't respect social distancing. Just because you pretend that everyone is facing the same risks doesn't make it true.

You cannot possibly think teachers are the only jobs at risk. There are a lot of people who simply cannot work from home and have been going in to work this whole time. People who are exposed to 10, 50, 100 other people every day. Think about gym employees, wait staff, people who need access to classified networks. There are countless employers who are open and the employee has a choice - go to work, or quit. Teachers are no different. Do your job or quit. That’s my choice right now, why are teachers special??

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The rest of the world doesn’t have the starting pay, benefits, or union which teachers have, either.

Or only work 9 months a year and get the generous holidays off too.

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I'm not sure why all the drama over teachers. Hospital workers have gone to work for months. Grocery workers have gone to work for months. Drug store workers have gone to work for months. Restaurant workers have gone to work for months. Office workers have gone to work for months.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely infuriating. So now that a 61-year-old retired teacher with asthma and multiple health conditions died because she didn't take precautions to protect herself--while claiming that she took them in the classroom (but please, why oh why did the need to be in the same classroom?), people will use this as another reason for not returning to school? This has nothing to do at all with the precautions they took in the classroom. It is very clear that she and her family were not that careful. Plus, she's 61, obese, with asthma. She should have been more responsible. She seemed like a lovely person who was very much loved by her family, so I understand this is very sad. But she didn't take personal responsibility for her own health. And now you nuts all want to prevent healthy children from getting an education over this example? It's so frustrating!

I've been obese and I know how tough it is. I clicked on the article and the woman appears to be a very nice lady and well loved by her family but she is also morbidly obese which is the biggest risk factor you can have.

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely infuriating. So now that a 61-year-old retired teacher with asthma and multiple health conditions died because she didn't take precautions to protect herself--while claiming that she took them in the classroom (but please, why oh why did the need to be in the same classroom?), people will use this as another reason for not returning to school? This has nothing to do at all with the precautions they took in the classroom. It is very clear that she and her family were not that careful. Plus, she's 61, obese, with asthma. She should have been more responsible. She seemed like a lovely person who was very much loved by her family, so I understand this is very sad. But she didn't take personal responsibility for her own health. And now you nuts all want to prevent healthy children from getting an education over this example? It's so frustrating!

This is an incredibly insensitive response no matter what your opinion is on returning to school. Take a moment to read what you wrote again and think how it sounds from any number of perspectives.

Exactly. Your "healthy children" being in a school building, instead of being educated via DL, is not worth teachers' lives. Gross.