So if there is no SAT and everyone gets A's what will distinguish kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

I agree with the sat part you said. Not every school offers Ap classes in 10th grade, nor encourages and facilitates self studying. There are some high schools where a kid would get made fun of if they tried to self study for Ap tests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

Kids who only take 1 test offered by the school very rarely make up the top scores, so who cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

Kids who only take 1 test offered by the school very rarely make up the top scores, so who cares.

She said first time, meaning they expected a retake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

Kids who only take 1 test offered by the school very rarely make up the top scores, so who cares.

My child’s friend who is a rising freshman at Penn took it for the first time in May of jr year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

My son's HS only allows one AP freshman year (you must meet the criteria in order to be placed in this course; very high HSPT scores, very high MS grades and test scores) and one AP sophomore year (same situation as the freshman year course; very high grade in the prerequisite honors course). So the highest number of AP scores a rising junior has is two and that's a very small number of students. So your statement is a blanket statement. Not all schools have the same rules. In order to take AP courses in 11th and 12th grades, you need an A (and in some cases, a high A) in the pre-req honors course. Lots of smart kids aren't running around in the AP hamster ball anymore. Maybe in public schools but not in private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

My son's HS only allows one AP freshman year (you must meet the criteria in order to be placed in this course; very high HSPT scores, very high MS grades and test scores) and one AP sophomore year (same situation as the freshman year course; very high grade in the prerequisite honors course). So the highest number of AP scores a rising junior has is two and that's a very small number of students. So your statement is a blanket statement. Not all schools have the same rules. In order to take AP courses in 11th and 12th grades, you need an A (and in some cases, a high A) in the pre-req honors course. Lots of smart kids aren't running around in the AP hamster ball anymore. Maybe in public schools but not in private.

By smart, pp meant super smart. So the kids with very high prerequisite scores in your case. The rest aren't going to get into elites anyway.

[Anonymous]

^ PP: bingo.

So many delusional parents think their above average kid is “super smart.” They’re not. Your kid is a dime a dozen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

My son's HS only allows one AP freshman year (you must meet the criteria in order to be placed in this course; very high HSPT scores, very high MS grades and test scores) and one AP sophomore year (same situation as the freshman year course; very high grade in the prerequisite honors course). So the highest number of AP scores a rising junior has is two and that's a very small number of students. So your statement is a blanket statement. Not all schools have the same rules. In order to take AP courses in 11th and 12th grades, you need an A (and in some cases, a high A) in the pre-req honors course. Lots of smart kids aren't running around in the AP hamster ball anymore. Maybe in public schools but not in private.

We're talking about rising seniors, not rising juniors. So a kid who actually has a shot at a top school will have 4 ap scores plus self studying scores at your child's school, by fall of senior year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ PP: bingo.

So many delusional parents think their above average kid is “super smart.” They’re not. Your kid is a dime a dozen.

The poster said "smart kids have already taken it." When people say smart on here, they seem to be referring to kids with 1500+ sat but that is wayyy above average in real life. Way above just "smart." Smart is 1300+ in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ PP: bingo.

So many delusional parents think their above average kid is “super smart.” They’re not. Your kid is a dime a dozen.

The poster said "smart kids have already taken it." When people say smart on here, they seem to be referring to kids with 1500+ sat but that is wayyy above average in real life. Way above just "smart." Smart is 1300+ in my opinion.

I think in this case "smart" just means "smart about the college process". Those who are better informed about the process take the test earlier in Junior year so they have more time for repeat testing, and more flexibility with timing for repeats, e.g. not having to take it at the same time as AP tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

[Anonymous]

I'm a little worried. I have an "average" student with good extracurriculars and good PSAT scores. We've been counting on another strong year in his activities and a good SAT to help elevate his profile. The activities didn't happen and the SAT SHOULD happen this summer, but who knows what it all means any more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.

I guess my kid and all the other kids in his situation aren't smart. Maybe they should just give up now. Not even try to take the tests this summer/fall. Not bother applying test optional if those tests are cancelled. Who will want them anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ PP: bingo.

So many delusional parents think their above average kid is “super smart.” They’re not. Your kid is a dime a dozen.

The poster said "smart kids have already taken it." When people say smart on here, they seem to be referring to kids with 1500+ sat but that is wayyy above average in real life. Way above just "smart." Smart is 1300+ in my opinion.

I think in this case "smart" just means "smart about the college process". Those who are better informed about the process take the test earlier in Junior year so they have more time for repeat testing, and more flexibility with timing for repeats, e.g. not having to take it at the same time as AP tests.

If they do mean smart about the process, students taking algebra 2 as juniors should probably wait to take the SATs until the spring of their junior year when they are done the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ PP: bingo.

So many delusional parents think their above average kid is “super smart.” They’re not. Your kid is a dime a dozen.

The poster said "smart kids have already taken it." When people say smart on here, they seem to be referring to kids with 1500+ sat but that is wayyy above average in real life. Way above just "smart." Smart is 1300+ in my opinion.

I think in this case "smart" just means "smart about the college process". Those who are better informed about the process take the test earlier in Junior year so they have more time for repeat testing, and more flexibility with timing for repeats, e.g. not having to take it at the same time as AP tests.

If they do mean smart about the process, students taking algebra 2 as juniors should probably wait to take the SATs until the spring of their junior year when they are done the class.

Exactly. My kid took algebra 2 as a junior and took march and June of jr year. Of course, in normal times, that worked out fine (my kid got a great score btw).