So if there is no SAT and everyone gets A's what will distinguish kids?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Not if it’s test blind

Other than Cal Tech which I just saw posted, what other North East schools are test blind?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Not if it’s test blind

Other than Cal Tech which I just saw posted, what other North East schools are test blind?

Cal Tech is in CA ... California Institute of Technology.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Not if it’s test blind

Other than Cal Tech which I just saw posted, what other North East schools are test blind?

Cal Tech is in CA ... California Institute of Technology.

Yes I know that. Wording was wrong, "other". Was looking for other test blind schools, specifically in NE. Have already done a search. Nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

Yes, I agree with this. My point is that the strongest students (not MOST students) already have test scores. I’m talking about the top 10-20%, not the middle 50%.

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PSAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the strongest students at our DC private have a test score they are happy to submit. Probably also true at the public schools.

Many students take the test for the first time in the spring of junior year. Those students don't have scores.

Yes, I agree with this. My point is that the strongest students (not MOST students) already have test scores. I’m talking about the top 10-20%, not the middle 50%.

I disagree. There are plenty of strong students without scores. My kid is a strong student as are many of his friends. They were signed up for the spring tests. Also, some public school students rely on the school day tests and several of those dates were cancelled

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Nothing is stopping schools from having their own subject tests. They can decide on an admissions test on their own. Just not the SAT or whatever else college board decides. I really don't get how they think they will go through that many applications without and initial numerical marker. Just GPA? Then they will miss so many non 4.0 students who would be successful at their school.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of the graduating seniors at our public school have all As. Most have taken the exact same classes. Now you have hundreds of kids from even one school with the same academic credentials.

I worry that this will lead to unbelievable pressure on kids to perform on extracurriculars. They'll need to do all sorts of extra research, volunteering, etc.
They'll have to invent things, play instruments from birth (a little late for that), play travel sports 24/7, etc.
That is if they're not
-first generation minorities
-wealthy donors

Nah, don’t kill youself.

Full pay helps. Apply to 10+ schools and you’ll find a taker.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing is stopping schools from having their own subject tests. They can decide on an admissions test on their own. Just not the SAT or whatever else college board decides. I really don't get how they think they will go through that many applications without and initial numerical marker. Just GPA? Then they will miss so many non 4.0 students who would be successful at their school.

They know what they are doing and they never liked the tests anyway. They will be fine, choose a great cohort and will have a nearly indistinguishable performance from any other year. Bet on it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is stopping schools from having their own subject tests. They can decide on an admissions test on their own. Just not the SAT or whatever else college board decides. I really don't get how they think they will go through that many applications without and initial numerical marker. Just GPA? Then they will miss so many non 4.0 students who would be successful at their school.

They know what they are doing and they never liked the tests anyway. They will be fine, choose a great cohort and will have a nearly indistinguishable performance from any other year. Bet on it.

MIT says the tests are important to there admissions process, so I guess there are some schools who like the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is stopping schools from having their own subject tests. They can decide on an admissions test on their own. Just not the SAT or whatever else college board decides. I really don't get how they think they will go through that many applications without and initial numerical marker. Just GPA? Then they will miss so many non 4.0 students who would be successful at their school.

They know what they are doing and they never liked the tests anyway. They will be fine, choose a great cohort and will have a nearly indistinguishable performance from any other year. Bet on it.

MIT says the tests are important to there admissions process, so I guess there are some schools who like the test.

Yah well even MIT has dropped subject tests so they are following the trend also:

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/03/23/massachusetts-institute-technology-drops-sat-subject-tests

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT says the tests are important to there admissions process, so I guess there are some schools who like the test.

Yah well even MIT has dropped subject tests so they are following the trend also:

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/03/23/massachusetts-institute-technology-drops-sat-subject-tests

Right, MIT dropped subject tests, but not SAT1.

As you may know, MIT applicants are required to take either the SAT or the ACT; the TOEFL is strongly recommended if you have been using English for less than five years or do not speak English at home or in school, so that we may consider that alongside the SAT or the ACT. We no longer require, nor consider, the SAT II Subject exams.

We know that the availability of these exams has been affected by the pandemic, and we are closely monitoring the situation. Up to this point, we have made no changes to our standardized testing requirements; but if we do, we will update this FAQ and announce it publicly on our homepage and in an email to prospective students.

We require these exams because our research shows that they have meaningful predictive validity in assessing an applicant’s preparedness for MIT’s demanding curriculum. However, our admissions process is not centrally driven by the tests, and you don’t need perfect scores to be admitted, nor will perfect scores get you admitted on their own (you can see the data here).

As always, students will not be penalized in the application process for disruptions outside their control.

https://mitadmissions.org/help/faq/how-will-mits-standardized-test-requirements-be-affected-by-covid-19/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT says the tests are important to there admissions process, so I guess there are some schools who like the test.

Yah well even MIT has dropped subject tests so they are following the trend also:

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/03/23/massachusetts-institute-technology-drops-sat-subject-tests

Right, MIT dropped subject tests, but not SAT1.

As you may know, MIT applicants are required to take either the SAT or the ACT; the TOEFL is strongly recommended if you have been using English for less than five years or do not speak English at home or in school, so that we may consider that alongside the SAT or the ACT. We no longer require, nor consider, the SAT II Subject exams.

We know that the availability of these exams has been affected by the pandemic, and we are closely monitoring the situation. Up to this point, we have made no changes to our standardized testing requirements; but if we do, we will update this FAQ and announce it publicly on our homepage and in an email to prospective students.

We require these exams because our research shows that they have meaningful predictive validity in assessing an applicant’s preparedness for MIT’s demanding curriculum. However, our admissions process is not centrally driven by the tests, and you don’t need perfect scores to be admitted, nor will perfect scores get you admitted on their own (you can see the data here).

As always, students will not be penalized in the application process for disruptions outside their control.

https://mitadmissions.org/help/faq/how-will-mits-standardized-test-requirements-be-affected-by-covid-19/

Nice point that does not refute the one it follows.

The important word was "trend". They may be at the back of it, because they are MIT, but they are following it, make no mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:The code will be evident--if you don't submit test scores, the presumption will be that you performed poorly. Sad but true.

I agree in other years but this year is different. Kids desparetely want to take the tests and can't.

Every smart rising senior took the SAT or ACT back in the fall. And every smart rising senior already has 4-10 official AP exam scores from 10th and 11th grade.