I don’t want to pay tuition in the fall of 2020 for my kids to take classes online.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why colleges should be immune to the factors that have decimated the hospitality and retail businesses already.Paying almost 50K for a semester that is virtual is insanity. Time for them to make some tough choices.

People have to stop thinking you HAVE to pay 50-80K a year to get a good education. Psych 101 at community college is the same exact thing at Psych 101 at Harvard. There is no difference in the great majority of schools in terms of actual learning or education. If you want to pay to network, then be honest and say "I'm paying so my kid can make friends with other privileged kids who might be able to help them get a job someday". But let's cut the crap about schools being different than each other. There's very little difference between any of them.
Fwiw, my daughter went to our community college, then to a basic state school. From there, she went to a law school that so many people said, "Don't go there, you'll never get a good job." Well, now she's in Big Law in one of the most prestigious firms in the country making a crap ton of money. She paid the few loans she took out (and no, our family was not in a position to help her at all financially and went mostly on academic scholarship) in the first 3 years of working. Smart kids know how to make it. No need for 50K a year school.

Dream on. It is not the same thing. Same basic content, sure. Same peers, same discussion, same professor, same expectations for work product, no way.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why colleges should be immune to the factors that have decimated the hospitality and retail businesses already.Paying almost 50K for a semester that is virtual is insanity. Time for them to make some tough choices.

I understand your point, but in keeping with your example, colleges are still providing a service, while hotels and the travel industry are literally on hold completely.

Yes, and colleges aren't just a service to the student "customer" -- the state has standards that they want in place to develop a workforce, professional associations have accreditation to ensure future qualified workers in their fields, and the country as a whole has a stake in having educated citizens, and the research institutes are creating--without profit--much of the knowledge that allows coronavirus research in the first place (as well as educating the people to do that research). I think individual families decide whether to invest in a college education at the price but colleges are not a typical business industry so the comparisons don't work so well.

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Silly rabbit thinking you pay tuition dollars for scholarly teaching.

Everyone pays tuition to have a piece of paper on the wall, that's it. 90% of education at university is of no practical use in the real world anyway. Who gives a hoot? Pony up the cash and get that insanely overpriced piece of paper on the wall and move on with your life.

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Anonymous wrote:Silly rabbit thinking you pay tuition dollars for scholarly teaching.

Everyone pays tuition to have a piece of paper on the wall, that's it. 90% of education at university is of no practical use in the real world anyway. Who gives a hoot? Pony up the cash and get that insanely overpriced piece of paper on the wall and move on with your life.

I don't think I would have put it quite this way, but this is the point. You're not paying for a semester of education, you're paying to hold your child's place in the class of 2024. If you don't want to pay $80,000 to do that, that fine, but be aware that there are a lot of parents who have kids on the wait list who will be happy to do so. And there are a lot of smart kids graduating in 2021 who will be applying, as well. There may be some full-pay spots opening up that would have otherwise been filled by international students, particularly this fall, but I wouldn't count on that lasting much beyond this year.

This is a parent's forum, so the perspective will be skewed that way, but from what I'm hearing, the actual students who are senior this year are so far along in the process that this will probably not change their decisions that much. It's the parents that are watching their investments erode and getting nervous about what they're getting for the $400,000 investment they're about to commit to.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why colleges should be immune to the factors that have decimated the hospitality and retail businesses already.Paying almost 50K for a semester that is virtual is insanity. Time for them to make some tough choices.

I understand your point, but in keeping with your example, colleges are still providing a service, while hotels and the travel industry are literally on hold completely.

Yes, and colleges aren't just a service to the student "customer" -- the state has standards that they want in place to develop a workforce, professional associations have accreditation to ensure future qualified workers in their fields, and the country as a whole has a stake in having educated citizens, and the research institutes are creating--without profit--much of the knowledge that allows coronavirus research in the first place (as well as educating the people to do that research). I think individual families decide whether to invest in a college education at the price but colleges are not a typical business industry so the comparisons don't work so well.

Of course. The only students having real difficulty right now are nurses and maybe doctors, believe it or not, because they need their hours/clinicals. Performance artists might be suffering as well. Other than those examples, and some labs, most everything else can be done online. That is the college's point. Not saying whether I agree with it or not. It may be worth 110% or 50% of what we pay for, but who am I to know, for sure. The colleges are still paying their professors - are they supposed to work for free?

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What will your kid(s) DO If taking a gap year? They can’t travel the world since everything’s locked down. Stay home 24/7 - and DO what?

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Anonymous wrote:For fall 2020 (and any semester for which we are fully online), you will only be charged the New York tuition rate of $3,635/semester (projected tuition, based on full-time enrollment) instead of the non-resident tuition of $12,330/semester.

My daughter in Maryland got this today from Binghamton

Are the SUNYs already finalizing fall as online? They’re going to have a hard time getting kids back on campus with so many campuses set up as hospitals right now.