I don’t want to pay tuition in the fall of 2020 for my kids to take classes online.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why colleges should be immune to the factors that have decimated the hospitality and retail businesses already.Paying almost 50K for a semester that is virtual is insanity. Time for them to make some tough choices.

I understand your point, but in keeping with your example, colleges are still providing a service, while hotels and the travel industry are literally on hold completely.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree.

They continue to think someone is listening when they dictate what they are willing to accept.

Perhaps that stance is their security blanket.

Even when the post-pandemic world, all around them (and their DC) has stopped listening long ago.

Some PPs are behaving like petulant children, and the colleges are not going to respect that, never mind listen to it.

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More of the same. You have one easy step to win the discussion, and until you do it, i consider it settled.

Let it go.

Sure, as long as we agree PP is FOS.

Instead of trying to hav the last word, here's a challenge: why don't you contribute something useful? If not here, somewhere else.

I did contribute something useful: recommending people call colleges and not just believe an internet Rando.

That was challenged for some inexplicable reason. So I offered something else useful: the easy chance to get to the truth and let everyone see the actual facts. Internet Rando declined, for reasons which are obvious.

As I said, I am happy to let it go, as long as the facts are clear for those who might need them.

There is a different PP who is giving bad information, both PP's have more information than you, so just sit down, already instead of getting off on that word. Grow up.

Not sure what this incoherent post means.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why colleges should be immune to the factors that have decimated the hospitality and retail businesses already.Paying almost 50K for a semester that is virtual is insanity. Time for them to make some tough choices.

People have to stop thinking you HAVE to pay 50-80K a year to get a good education. Psych 101 at community college is the same exact thing at Psych 101 at Harvard. There is no difference in the great majority of schools in terms of actual learning or education. If you want to pay to network, then be honest and say "I'm paying so my kid can make friends with other privileged kids who might be able to help them get a job someday". But let's cut the crap about schools being different than each other. There's very little difference between any of them.
Fwiw, my daughter went to our community college, then to a basic state school. From there, she went to a law school that so many people said, "Don't go there, you'll never get a good job." Well, now she's in Big Law in one of the most prestigious firms in the country making a crap ton of money. She paid the few loans she took out (and no, our family was not in a position to help her at all financially and went mostly on academic scholarship) in the first 3 years of working. Smart kids know how to make it. No need for 50K a year school.

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Anonymous wrote:Psych 101 at community college is the same exact thing at Psych 101 at Harvard.

How do you even type this BS?

Yes, the topics covered may be similar... but do you think the instructors, cohorts, overall educational experience and post-grad employment experiences are the same?

And for the record, I LOVE community colleges and think that many more students should start there than do. But let's not confuse people with ridiculous hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:Psych 101 at community college is the same exact thing at Psych 101 at Harvard.

How do you even type this BS?

Yes, the topics covered may be similar... but do you think the instructors, cohorts, overall educational experience and post-grad employment experiences are the same?

And for the record, I LOVE community colleges and think that many more students should start there than do. But let's not confuse people with ridiculous hyperbole.

Don't even bother trying to convince them. The people who say this are folks who went to community colleges or universities where they were spoon fed knowledge from textbooks in large lecture halls. I didn't attend Harvard but went to a LAC in the top 75. I also have taken a few community college courses, and there is no comparison. My LAC did not use textbooks. We were expected to read academic books and articles, listen to lectures, and synthesize this information for papers and tests. Nothing like community college.

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Anonymous wrote:Psych 101 at community college is the same exact thing at Psych 101 at Harvard.

How do you even type this BS?

Yes, the topics covered may be similar... but do you think the instructors, cohorts, overall educational experience and post-grad employment experiences are the same?

And for the record, I LOVE community colleges and think that many more students should start there than do. But let's not confuse people with ridiculous hyperbole.

Agree. Also, keep in mind that you need to transfer those CC credits somewhere if you want a 4 year degree. Harvard is not likely to take them, so while you might think the class is equivalent to Harvard, you are not likely getting credit there (or at many private colleges).

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Colleges may still be providing a service, but a greatly diminished one. And if it was ever about the cohort? That doesn't exist anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Also, keep in mind that you need to transfer those CC credits somewhere if you want a 4 year degree. Harvard is not likely to take them, so while you might think the class is equivalent to Harvard, you are not likely getting credit there (or at many private colleges).

+1. Those turning down their expensive privates might want to focus on their local state university for fall online classes if there's a chance they might later want to transfer to a top 50 private.

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Anonymous wrote:My college senior has 6 more classes in order to graduate (she took off a mental health semester during her sophomore year, and she’s been going part-time for a while).

She has ADD and anxiety/depression, and these online classes are incredibly difficult for her. Part of her anxiety stems from using a computer; e.g., she’s not on social media, has panic attacks related to email, etc.

She was going to be taking 4 classes over the summer at her campus, followed by 2 classes in the fall, and then graduation in December.

Instead, she’s going to *try* to take the 4 summer classes online, and we’ll see how it goes. But she is not going to finish her college years with a final online semester. Those remaining 2 classes include 2 labs, and she loves her campus & profs and wants to be there in person again.

Our plan is for her to take a mental health semester off if the campus doesn’t reopen in the fall. It would mean a May 2021 graduation instead of December 2020, but she’s willing to make that change.

If the college doesn’t agree, we’ll pay for 1 part-time credit simply to hold her spot. Right now she only takes 3-8 credits per semester anyway (we pay on a per-credit basis).

You need to talk to your program. You can not assume that a college will go along with "your plan".

First, thank you to the PP who mentioned 5/21 potentially being a better time to graduate than 12/20. I think that will help my DD feel better about the situation.

Second, regarding the above comment, I know with 100% certainty that my backup plan (my DD takes 1 part-time credit to hold her spot) is effective. As long as she’s enrolled in some capacity, that counts for her continuation as a senior in her major. She’s had to take classes slowly over the years, and there’s no minimum number of credits required on a part-time basis in order to hold your spot.

We need to be creative in our approach. I disagree with the PP who mentioned this being a privileged worldview. My DD has a disability and works through the disability office at her college. She’s worked for years to earn her B.S. and there’s nothing privileged about her struggles.

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For fall 2020 (and any semester for which we are fully online), you will only be charged the New York tuition rate of $3,635/semester (projected tuition, based on full-time enrollment) instead of the non-resident tuition of $12,330/semester.

My daughter in Maryland got this today from Binghamton

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Anonymous wrote:For fall 2020 (and any semester for which we are fully online), you will only be charged the New York tuition rate of $3,635/semester (projected tuition, based on full-time enrollment) instead of the non-resident tuition of $12,330/semester.

My daughter in Maryland got this today from Binghamton

That’s awesome

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More of the same. You have one easy step to win the discussion, and until you do it, i consider it settled.

Let it go.

Sure, as long as we agree PP is FOS.

Instead of trying to hav the last word, here's a challenge: why don't you contribute something useful? If not here, somewhere else.

I did contribute something useful: recommending people call colleges and not just believe an internet Rando.

That was challenged for some inexplicable reason. So I offered something else useful: the easy chance to get to the truth and let everyone see the actual facts. Internet Rando declined, for reasons which are obvious.

As I said, I am happy to let it go, as long as the facts are clear for those who might need them.

There is a different PP who is giving bad information, both PP's have more information than you, so just sit down, already instead of getting off on that word. Grow up.

Not sure what this incoherent post means.

It means sit down and shut up, we are tired of you.

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More of the same. You have one easy step to win the discussion, and until you do it, i consider it settled.

Let it go.

Sure, as long as we agree PP is FOS.

Instead of trying to hav the last word, here's a challenge: why don't you contribute something useful? If not here, somewhere else.

I did contribute something useful: recommending people call colleges and not just believe an internet Rando.

That was challenged for some inexplicable reason. So I offered something else useful: the easy chance to get to the truth and let everyone see the actual facts. Internet Rando declined, for reasons which are obvious.

As I said, I am happy to let it go, as long as the facts are clear for those who might need them.

There is a different PP who is giving bad information, both PP's have more information than you, so just sit down, already instead of getting off on that word. Grow up.

Not sure what this incoherent post means.

It means sit down and shut up, we are tired of you.

Thanks! That was really helpful and I am sure everyone got a lot out of it as well as the one that preceded it! You ROCK!

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Anonymous wrote:For fall 2020 (and any semester for which we are fully online), you will only be charged the New York tuition rate of $3,635/semester (projected tuition, based on full-time enrollment) instead of the non-resident tuition of $12,330/semester.

My daughter in Maryland got this today from Binghamton

Well-played SUNY!