"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.

They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.

And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.

Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?

For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.

I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.

Maybe give this a bit more thought? Social distancing has kept death numbers low so you want to end social distancing? That's like building a levee to prevent floods and then dismantling it because you haven't had a flood.

We have to take the necessary steps to prevent a resurgence before we can re-open safely. Of course, if you want to open unsafely, please go first.

Pp, you couldn’t make better sense. I think people also forget that at any time, any one of us might need to go to the ER for something unrelated to the virus. I’m already hearing stories about how those people haven’t been giving priority and are dying from things that could’ve been treated. Everything is cyclical. We must all do our part.

You heard "stories," in other words gossip likely made up or exaggerated. Most hospitals right now are idle and operating well below capacity. Many are at 20% capacity and hospitals across the country are facing fiscal crises because they don't have the normal revenue flow.

Which means we have an enormous, underutilized hospital capacity across the country. The goal of the shutdown was to flatten the curve rather than see spikes overwhelming the system. This clearly has not happened, if anything, it resulted in an underwhelmed healthcare system with most health professionals furloughed or laid off due to a lack of work.

What to do now. You tell me. You also tell the 22+ million unemployed Americans what to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing people that want to open up don't seem to be taking into consideration.

15.2% of Americans are over the age of 65
10.5% of have diabetes.
6.7% have heart disease
7% have autoimmune disease
7.7% of adults have asthma (8.4% of children, too)

Even accounting for overlap between conditions, that's a large % of our community that is vulnerable. This doesn't even take into account the number of people that live with the vulnerable, or work with them, which would significantly increase those numbers. With, at a minimum, something like 30% of the community quarantined, how do you get back to business as usual?

And over 40% of Americans are obese. Obesity is the major risk factor leading to hospitalization, and this is why the US is going to have a higher death rate than other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:there's no magic pot of money for perpetual government assistance. High unemployment and prolonged lockdowns will cause civil unrest. You don't care about job losses because you can afford to hunker down in your comfortable house with your adequate savings while millions suffer.

Mortality rate less than 2%. We have ramped up our medical preparedness, and there are empty beds and unused ventilators even in "hotspots". Drug overdoses, suicide, influenza, heart disease, cancer kill more people annually. Crazy anti-vaxxers will never immunize. We need herd immunity to squelch the virus, not hiding in our homes.

The WHO is in China's pocket, the director is corrupt. If they are squealing about funding, let China fund them. China pays about 10% of what we pay the WHO, and they can afford more.

Since you had to make it about Trump, I'll flip the script. This plan to control everyone's movements, make people dependent on government payouts, and destroy civil liberties is a leftist wet dream. Don't pretend you're not enjoying this.

Totally agree with this.
And, I'll add...... there is a rise in suicides during financial crises. https://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/06/12/more-than-10000-suicides-tied-to-economic-crisis-study-says/#2e0097b77ae2
People want to be productive. Being forced to remain at home causes depression for many. And, there is also the concern for domestic abuse and child abuse.
I can't imagine what it's like for some of these people who are confined to their homes 24/7 with their abusers. And, the financial stress isn't going to make the abuser's behavior any better.

[Anonymous]

There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

Right. Punish all the innocent citizens who had no say in the matter, including the elderly and children. Collective punishment. Nice.

[Anonymous]

Again for the 60% of the United States that is healthy and again has very little risk of serious complications

Why aren't we allowing at least social distancing with masks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

Right. Punish all the innocent citizens who had no say in the matter, including the elderly and children. Collective punishment. Nice.

Well then stay home! Which is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

Right. Punish all the innocent citizens who had no say in the matter, including the elderly and children. Collective punishment. Nice.

Well then stay home! Which is it?

If a state opens and then employers expect people to return to work and then people lose their jobs but don’t qualify for UI - which they may not if they’re terminated, you’re going to withhold healthcare from them? How incredibly cruel some of you are. How binary and unfeeling and privileged and completely out of touch with average hardworking people - who don’t have the federal job for life and don’t make six figured to line their savings.

[Anonymous]

It's not just about the government "paying" people to stay home. (Which is a ridiculous idea long term)

It's also about the small businesses - they have to cover their overhead. There are some small businesses that will NEVER reopen - hair salons, boutiques, barber shops, bars and restaurants.

There are also "self-employed" people who would suffer - musicals groups, theater groups, consultants, etc.

It's easy to say to stay closed when you can work from home and still get paid. Millions can't. And, millions don't want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there's no magic pot of money for perpetual government assistance. High unemployment and prolonged lockdowns will cause civil unrest. You don't care about job losses because you can afford to hunker down in your comfortable house with your adequate savings while millions suffer.

Mortality rate less than 2%. We have ramped up our medical preparedness, and there are empty beds and unused ventilators even in "hotspots". Drug overdoses, suicide, influenza, heart disease, cancer kill more people annually. Crazy anti-vaxxers will never immunize. We need herd immunity to squelch the virus, not hiding in our homes.

The WHO is in China's pocket, the director is corrupt. If they are squealing about funding, let China fund them. China pays about 10% of what we pay the WHO, and they can afford more.

Since you had to make it about Trump, I'll flip the script. This plan to control everyone's movements, make people dependent on government payouts, and destroy civil liberties is a leftist wet dream. Don't pretend you're not enjoying this.

Totally agree with this.
And, I'll add...... there is a rise in suicides during financial crises. https://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/06/12/more-than-10000-suicides-tied-to-economic-crisis-study-says/#2e0097b77ae2
People want to be productive. Being forced to remain at home causes depression for many. And, there is also the concern for domestic abuse and child abuse.
I can't imagine what it's like for some of these people who are confined to their homes 24/7 with their abusers. And, the financial stress isn't going to make the abuser's behavior any better.

All you people ever have are lies and distortions. You act all concerned about people when you just want to use them as pawns to support your ideology.

https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-economy-life-expectancy

“In fact, historical research shows that during the 20th century, increases in U.S. mortality often occurred during times of economic prosperity, while decreases occurred during economic depressions or recessions.“


Now that you know the truth will you start to support more social distancing? Of course not, because you don’t actually give a shit about people dying. You just value he economy more than human life.


Why do you want more people to die?

[Anonymous]

I feel like there’s some straw man stuff going on here. Do proponents of phased reopenings opoose suggestions that those individuals in vulnerable groups should continue to stay home? Do they oppose mask wearing per CDC guidelines? Do they oppose testing and tracing? Do they oppose social distancing as much as possible once they are outside or in businesses? Maybe there’s a reasonable compromise short of the Mayor in Jaws’ everyone in, the water is safe and chicken littles’ nope, not sticking my head out.

[Anonymous]

Opening up without ramping up testing and having plentiful supplies of PPE is risking the lives of frontline workers (nurses, EMT, doctors, police, firefighters, mass transit etc).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

You’ll have to wait for Biden to do that, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Opening up without ramping up testing and having plentiful supplies of PPE is risking the lives of frontline workers (nurses, EMT, doctors, police, firefighters, mass transit etc). [/quote

Wow, novel take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be zero assistance to states that re-open and have skyrocketing rates of covid-19. No respirators should be sent. No Federal aid. Nothing.

Right. Punish all the innocent citizens who had no say in the matter, including the elderly and children. Collective punishment. Nice.

Elections have consequences. Isn't that what the Trump supporters have been spouting for the past 3 years? Everyone needs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, right rugged 'Mercians?