Why do most teachers seem to hate teaching?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

Well they are free to change jobs, like anyone else.

And just who would cone in and teach your kid? You who probably doesn't insist you and your kid sit and read a history book together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

I got an accurate picture observing how the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teachers interacted with my two kids. It was quite depressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

I got an accurate picture observing how the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th grade teachers interacted with my two kids. It was quite depressing.

Really? All the teachers, in every grade, with both kids? And you think it's a teacher problem? Perhaps in one post, unwittingly, yoy may have illuminated the entire problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

When I was in 8th grade, we visited a courthouse for US history class and got to have lunch with a judge. He gave us a lot of advice, including that people who make statements with all, always, and never about a group of people are either ignorant or purposefully lying. Which are you?

1. It's probably been at least a year since you were in the 8th grade. You are 14 now, maybe 15, so begin to articulate a little more solidly on online forums when pretending to be a grown up, otherwise you will certainly blow your cover.
2. For someone who admonishes superlatives and categories, it's just a little funny that you have, literally, placed everyone into two groups for your own purposes. I would work on avoiding that technique, as it spoils your rhetorical edge. However, you have a developing thesis statement, so I'll give you a point for that.
3. I am someone who actually knows quite a bit about this subject, and am paid to speak on many educational topics. I am happy to discuss my findings with any judge, or even your Mom or Dad.
4. Sign back in, let's say, in about a decade, after you have finshed school, and college, and we will chat, dear. Now, go to bed. It's almost Christmas! You'll get there! A couple more days.

I was in 8th grade in 1984 and have been teaching nearly two decades. I just think that you are someone who failed at the only thing you ever thought you’d be good at so you are angry and stuck. Maybe your parents can give you some career advice and a place to live while you sort out the remainder of your miserable existence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

Well they are free to change jobs, like anyone else.

And you're free not to read their rants

I’m also free to think they are lazy.

Great
Think that.

I planned and graded today on this day "off," but I spent time with my kids, too!

Priceless!

How did YOU spend your day?

I went to work. Duh.

And I had the day off and STILL WORKED!

duh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

Well they are free to change jobs, like anyone else.

And you're free not to read their rants

I’m also free to think they are lazy.

Great
Think that.

I planned and graded today on this day "off," but I spent time with my kids, too!

Priceless!

How did YOU spend your day?

I went to work. Duh.

And I had the day off and STILL WORKED!

duh!

Most teachers worked on our day off. And routinely do on snow days. And sick days. And Spring Break. Parents don’t realize that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

When I was in 8th grade, we visited a courthouse for US history class and got to have lunch with a judge. He gave us a lot of advice, including that people who make statements with all, always, and never about a group of people are either ignorant or purposefully lying. Which are you?

1. It's probably been at least a year since you were in the 8th grade. You are 14 now, maybe 15, so begin to articulate a little more solidly on online forums when pretending to be a grown up, otherwise you will certainly blow your cover.
2. For someone who admonishes superlatives and categories, it's just a little funny that you have, literally, placed everyone into two groups for your own purposes. I would work on avoiding that technique, as it spoils your rhetorical edge. However, you have a developing thesis statement, so I'll give you a point for that.
3. I am someone who actually knows quite a bit about this subject, and am paid to speak on many educational topics. I am happy to discuss my findings with any judge, or even your Mom or Dad.
4. Sign back in, let's say, in about a decade, after you have finshed school, and college, and we will chat, dear. Now, go to bed. It's almost Christmas! You'll get there! A couple more days.

I was in 8th grade in 1984 and have been teaching nearly two decades. I just think that you are someone who failed at the only thing you ever thought you’d be good at so you are angry and stuck. Maybe your parents can give you some career advice and a place to live while you sort out the remainder of your miserable existence.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years

Hardly unsuccessful, as we can see.

[Anonymous]

https://www.weareteachers.com/why-teachers-quit/

https://www.wpr.org/educator-theres-mass-teacher-exodus-not-shortage

https://toughnickel.com/finding-job/Why-Are-Teachers-Quitting

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2019/09/05/we-need-to-stop-talking-about-the-teacher-shortage/

[Anonymous]

Most teachers worked on our day off. And routinely do on snow days. And sick days. And Spring Break. Parents don’t realize that.

YES.WE.DO. Because you shout from the rooftops constantly about working. Guess what? Most professionals work some evenings, weekends, vacation days, days we take PTO to care for our sick kids, etc. It's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Most teachers worked on our day off. And routinely do on snow days. And sick days. And Spring Break. Parents don’t realize that.

YES.WE.DO. Because you shout from the rooftops constantly about working. Guess what? Most professionals work some evenings, weekends, vacation days, days we take PTO to care for our sick kids, etc. It's life.

Then why do you think we are slacking if we are happy over a snow day?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

When I was in 8th grade, we visited a courthouse for US history class and got to have lunch with a judge. He gave us a lot of advice, including that people who make statements with all, always, and never about a group of people are either ignorant or purposefully lying. Which are you?

1. It's probably been at least a year since you were in the 8th grade. You are 14 now, maybe 15, so begin to articulate a little more solidly on online forums when pretending to be a grown up, otherwise you will certainly blow your cover.
2. For someone who admonishes superlatives and categories, it's just a little funny that you have, literally, placed everyone into two groups for your own purposes. I would work on avoiding that technique, as it spoils your rhetorical edge. However, you have a developing thesis statement, so I'll give you a point for that.
3. I am someone who actually knows quite a bit about this subject, and am paid to speak on many educational topics. I am happy to discuss my findings with any judge, or even your Mom or Dad.
4. Sign back in, let's say, in about a decade, after you have finshed school, and college, and we will chat, dear. Now, go to bed. It's almost Christmas! You'll get there! A couple more days.

I was in 8th grade in 1984 and have been teaching nearly two decades. I just think that you are someone who failed at the only thing you ever thought you’d be good at so you are angry and stuck. Maybe your parents can give you some career advice and a place to live while you sort out the remainder of your miserable existence.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years

Hardly unsuccessful, as we can see.

Really unsuccessful if ALL the teachers you know are unhappy. Doesn’t sound like good mentoring to me. When’s your next public lecture? I’d love to hear what you are telling young teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There seem to be regular threads on this board about getting out of teaching, and then on FB there are all the people cheering for snow days and winter break, etc. Why are so many people teachers if it’s so awful. Seems like like all just suffer and exist for school closures/summer break.

Here is one such thread- of many. No, most people don't understand this career, really. There are very few teachers who would remain in this field if they had a choice .


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/843700.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There seem to be regular threads on this board about getting out of teaching, and then on FB there are all the people cheering for snow days and winter break, etc. Why are so many people teachers if it’s so awful. Seems like like all just suffer and exist for school closures/summer break.

Here is one such thread- of many. No, most people don't understand this career, really. There are very few teachers who would remain in this field if they had a choice .


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/843700.page

There are other threads with pages of non-teachers complaining about their jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't you be happy to get a free day off?
Many people stick with teaching because they love children and learning. It is a calling for some, that doesn't mean that there aren't significant frustrations. Others stick with it because they trained for it, are in debt, or can't find a "better" job.

OP here. I live in Loudoun which gives a ton of pointless snow days, in addition to legitimate ones. It’s fine to secretly celebrate a day off. I think it’s tone deaf to continuously and repeatedly gloat about something that is quite inconvenient to almost anyone that isn’t you. Loudoun teachers in particular seem to really hate working.

So many of them are arrested for drinking on the job

[Anonymous]

The job has changed tremendously over the years. It’s frustrating to receive new mandated curriculum materials each year-many of which aren’t great. Bad administration can make even the best intentioned teachers hate the job. Very few consequences are in place anymore so some children make it a difficult learning environment for all involved.