Why do most teachers seem to hate teaching?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is the challenge of school districts here. That is why they can't find great teachers. It's why we are leaving.

Personally, I feel for you as someone who changed careers three times in 25 years. It's probably time for you to go.

However, can we now simply move to cognitive science based, direct instruction method with a high quality curriculum? Let's stop paying ridiculous pensions and healthcare (90% of a 2.7 billion dollar budget in MCPS goes to you and your colleagues while my kids elementary school was literally a health hazard.)

Frankly my kid improved his reading by a year at Lindamood-Bell with their curriculum, direct instruction and a kid just out of college getting paid 15 bucks an hour (who had two weeks of training - I asked)

MCPS couldn't do it for 2.7 billion (Half of fourth graders in the County read below grade level) LMB did it in 6 weeks. Please: let us give up this notion that somehow this 'artisan' method of teaching is helping the majority of our students. It's just day care at this point.

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/02/direct-instruction-half-century-research-shows-superior-results.html

How many kids were in the LMB class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

This.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

This.

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Unreasonable expectations, do not even remotely understand education yet think they can tell us how to do our job, and act like we are their personal employees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

This.

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Unreasonable expectations, do not even remotely understand education yet think they can tell us how to do our job, and act like we are their personal employees.

+3 If it were just the kids, my job would be heaven. I never felt bullied until dealing with a certain handful of parents.

[Anonymous]

Chiming in to give props to the teachers reading this thread. My kid’s teachers have been great for the most part. And I absolutely adore his current teacher. There are parents out there that appreciate and support you, I hope you know that.

Are snow closures etc difficult for working parents? Of course. But it’s not like the teachers are making these decisions. Complain to the school administrator who makes these calls.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know any teachers who hate teaching. I also don’t know any teachers who don’t love a snow day this time of year. They aren’t mutually exclusive. You can love your job and also love a surprise day off.

[Anonymous]

Why have a specific thread about teachers hating their jobs that was most likely started by a non-teacher? Here is a recent thread with the a similar “job hating” theme with responses from people who don’t like their jobs.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/845945.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

When I was in 8th grade, we visited a courthouse for US history class and got to have lunch with a judge. He gave us a lot of advice, including that people who make statements with all, always, and never about a group of people are either ignorant or purposefully lying. Which are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why have a specific thread about teachers hating their jobs that was most likely started by a non-teacher? Here is a recent thread with the a similar “job hating” theme with responses from people who don’t like their jobs.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/845945.page

Another thread full of non-teachers who don’t like their jobs: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/624789.page

[Anonymous]

I have 160 students and teach 5 classes. I have 1 45 min prep period a day. I teach a class with 18 ELL students and no ELL co teacher or resources. I am always running out of pens and pencils because students don’t bring them (not a low SES area, and they all have smart phones). My admin adopted a curriculum that I truly think is just awful education and they don’t care that the whole department hates it. I am exhausted.

FWIW, I am still in a mostly good mood most days and make the best of it and try to get the kids to learn. I’m just burnt out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most don’t. DCUM and social media in general are bad places to get an accurate picture of how most teachers feel.

Not true. I have taught for 35 years. I mentor grad students and new teachers. I've worked with hundreds of teachers over the years and I am active in forums, professional groups, classes, etc. It has become a seriously toxic and severely low income producing job. I do not know ONE teacher now who would choose to stay, but do because they have to for a variety of reasons- the main one being the amount of money and time invested into the front end of the career. It doesn't translate to other jobs readily.


It is a high stress job with expectations that are not realistic and cannot be maintained. Parents no longer support teachers, behavior in classrooms is out of control- with nothing in place to deal with it. Students are under prepared from home, are expected to perform beyond their capacity, while distracted by the dopamine draw of their phone. Teachers are literally judged based upon many variables entirely out of their control, and without any recourse. Student needs rise exponentially throughout the system and over time, while resources for them decrease. It is a psychologically, emotionally, and physically draining job which takes about 60 hours a week just to stay afloat, and much more to be completely prepared, but one has to eat and sleep sometimes. This is whether one teaches Kindergarten or 12th grade AP History.

There is a major exodus of teachers leaving the field without new ones coming in. Within the next 20 years, there will be a major sea change of how kids are educated and by whom. It won't look like this- buildings with hundreds of kids categorized by grade or groups.

It sounds like you attract teachers who hate teaching because you yourself hate teaching.

What a ridiculous comment. I've seen the spectrum of what the job has become over 30 years, and no, I don't attract teachers, I work with them in various settings. This is what ALL teachers say, which, btw, is how this thread started. I'm explaining why.

How do you think this works with mentoring? We pick and they choose? What?
I'm telling you what the career is and the response to it. Period. You have zero idea about anything you are talking about.

When I was in 8th grade, we visited a courthouse for US history class and got to have lunch with a judge. He gave us a lot of advice, including that people who make statements with all, always, and never about a group of people are either ignorant or purposefully lying. Which are you?

1. It's probably been at least a year since you were in the 8th grade. You are 14 now, maybe 15, so begin to articulate a little more solidly on online forums when pretending to be a grown up, otherwise you will certainly blow your cover.
2. For someone who admonishes superlatives and categories, it's just a little funny that you have, literally, placed everyone into two groups for your own purposes. I would work on avoiding that technique, as it spoils your rhetorical edge. However, you have a developing thesis statement, so I'll give you a point for that.
3. I am someone who actually knows quite a bit about this subject, and am paid to speak on many educational topics. I am happy to discuss my findings with any judge, or even your Mom or Dad.
4. Sign back in, let's say, in about a decade, after you have finshed school, and college, and we will chat, dear. Now, go to bed. It's almost Christmas! You'll get there! A couple more days.

[Anonymous]

^ imagine being that much of a shrew on a thread about teaching 9 days before christmas. Whatever is happening in your life to make you that way, I hope it gets better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's the parents. not the kids that they don't like.

Well they are free to change jobs, like anyone else.

And you're free not to read their rants

I’m also free to think they are lazy.

Well teachers are human beings too and, like every other profession, a few will be lazy. That goes for lawyers, bus drivers, line cooks, and cops.

True, but are those people on Fb loudly praying that an entire county full of parents will need last minute childcare the next day? Yes, I know school is not daycare and it’s my responsibility, but it’s just really grating to me. I don’t think they realize how they sound to other working parents.

Home school and STFU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ imagine being that much of a shrew on a thread about teaching 9 days before christmas. Whatever is happening in your life to make you that way, I hope it gets better.

Kids need to stop trolling here.