Are the Kardashians bad influences?

[Anonymous]

I always felt bad for Kylie, it seemed like Kris and Bruce/Caitlin had given up on parenting by the time she came of age.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a follower of the Kardashians. But I have talked to my middle school DD about them and here is what I told her. Sex sells, and the K girls understand that by projecting a certain image, they can make money. It's basically a marketing ploy. But the K's are not ACTUALLY what they appear to be, or they wouldn't be rich. They are actually an educated and entrepreneurial family with a lot of business smarts. Ine of the girls is the youngest billionaire for selling lipstick. Lipstick doesn't bring in a billion dollars- the idea that lipstick makes people glamorous and cool in a street fashionable, relatable way- THAT makes a billion dollars.

I don't talk to my daughter about whether projecting that kind of image is good or bad because it's truly just a business strategy. I want her to see past the big booties and glossy hair and understand what's actually going on here. I also want her to see that people occasionally push the envelope and redefine our culture. Elvis was once considered obscene and they couldn't show his hip thrusting dance moves on television because it was too shocking at the time.

I don't want my daughter to use sex to shock, but I want my daughter to be savvy and capable of nuance. That seems like a better conversation to have with her than "those K girls are bad!" I want my daughter to be curious and know that it's okay to look under the hood at these types of things in order to really see what's going on, rather than make snap judgments.

Fantastic post. I like the way you think and I agree these kinds of conversations help our daughters far more than just saying “the Kardashians are bad and trashy.”

PP, I also read your whole post. I think it's very well written and well said. I hope I can have these conversations with my daughters when they are older, I wish my mom had them with me. Kuddos.

Please be careful glorifying this family to your daughters. This is Kylie at age 11 or 12.

When did any of these PP’s indicate they’re glorifying this family? You are an idiot.

Ok, ignore the antics and admire their business savvy

[Anonymous]

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/27/about-one-third-of-u-s-children-are-living-with-an-unmarried-parent/

Here’s a link from Pew. Numbers are skewed somewhat because the focus is on kids living with single parents. If you look at kids born to single moms, the numbers rise.

Again: I work in the anti-poverty space. This is the data for decades that we know drives poverty, yet we never address directly...because that wouldn’t be PC. Instead we put the blame on low wages and the high cost of housing and childcare. All of these factors play a role, but single parenthood (particularly by young people) is the biggest documented driver of poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a follower of the Kardashians. But I have talked to my middle school DD about them and here is what I told her. Sex sells, and the K girls understand that by projecting a certain image, they can make money. It's basically a marketing ploy. But the K's are not ACTUALLY what they appear to be, or they wouldn't be rich. They are actually an educated and entrepreneurial family with a lot of business smarts. Ine of the girls is the youngest billionaire for selling lipstick. Lipstick doesn't bring in a billion dollars- the idea that lipstick makes people glamorous and cool in a street fashionable, relatable way- THAT makes a billion dollars.

I don't talk to my daughter about whether projecting that kind of image is good or bad because it's truly just a business strategy. I want her to see past the big booties and glossy hair and understand what's actually going on here. I also want her to see that people occasionally push the envelope and redefine our culture. Elvis was once considered obscene and they couldn't show his hip thrusting dance moves on television because it was too shocking at the time.

I don't want my daughter to use sex to shock, but I want my daughter to be savvy and capable of nuance. That seems like a better conversation to have with her than "those K girls are bad!" I want my daughter to be curious and know that it's okay to look under the hood at these types of things in order to really see what's going on, rather than make snap judgments.

Fantastic post. I like the way you think and I agree these kinds of conversations help our daughters far more than just saying “the Kardashians are bad and trashy.”

PP, I also read your whole post. I think it's very well written and well said. I hope I can have these conversations with my daughters when they are older, I wish my mom had them with me. Kuddos.

Please be careful glorifying this family to your daughters. This is Kylie at age 11 or 12.

When did any of these PP’s indicate they’re glorifying this family? You are an idiot.

Ok, ignore the antics and admire their business savvy

I'm not saying that my kid should ignore the "antics." I'm telling her that not everything is what it appears to be. The K's embody a lifestyle that they don't actually live. If they actually lived it, they would not have gotten rich- it's their business savvy, their understanding of the culture, and their education that allowed them to see a path to enormous success. Having the world's youngest billionaire in their clan is not an insignificant achievement and not one that I think parents should dismiss by calling them trashy. Clearly something unusual is going on with the K's- if you can look at them without judgment then you can learn something. The other side of the coin is this- if that younger K girl can literally become the world's youngest self made billionaire and she's summed up and dismissed as trash, what does that say to young girls about their sexuality and whether it is safe or dangerous?

[Anonymous]

I think as a whole they care too much about looks. Kourtney and Kendall aren’t that bad but also aren’t the stars of the clan. One of the things I like about Kim is the ability to keep pushing when kicked down. The situation with the short marriage, the robbery etc. are all things most people would somehow spiral into drugs or drinking. She somehow has always kept her focus. Same with Kylie. They made fun of her for the lip injections and then she comes out with the lip kit. The other sisters really haven’t been able to do this as much. And most definitely not Rob.

[Anonymous]

Yes, they are bad influences. The poster children for bad role models. Someone would argue that they may not be as bad, they are law-abiding, don’t drink or do drugs, but that’s a pretty low bar.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they are bad influences for more than just spreading their legs. And to be fair, Kim is married to the father of her children.

Can we do away with the term “spread your/her legs” in 2020?

No.

[Anonymous]

An interview with Brody Jenner. He seems quite level headed and articulate.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFIkt3VK0XA

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Anonymous wrote:I think as a whole they care too much about looks. Kourtney and Kendall aren’t that bad but also aren’t the stars of the clan. One of the things I like about Kim is the ability to keep pushing when kicked down. The situation with the short marriage, the robbery etc. are all things most people would somehow spiral into drugs or drinking. She somehow has always kept her focus. Same with Kylie. They made fun of her for the lip injections and then she comes out with the lip kit. The other sisters really haven’t been able to do this as much. And most definitely not Rob.

Kourtney is the worst. I bet all her kids will grow up with eating disorders and self-esteem issues. They already have shown signs of lacking self-restraint, inability to respect adults, and acting out violently. Poor kids.