What happens in MCPS (and others) if your child does not do the homework,

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Expecting parents (especially those with several children, and some who maybe have been at work till 6, and are just getting home to work on dinner and then the long battle that is homework) to individually supervise and actively TEACH math facts and sight words and so on-- for MORE than 10 or 20 minutes per day for a first or second grader -- I don't care what the studies say, I think that is just unworkable.

If elementary schools aren't allowing enough time for mastery of basic facts or for repetition, then that is a problem.


Exactly!


So -- this question to the teacher teaching 80 math lessons in 40 days -- what are you supposed to be teaching in math, if it isn't basic math facts?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In elementary school, our curriculum doesn't allow too much time for the study of basic facts or what I feel is enough repetition and practice. This quarter, I'm supposed to teach 85 math lessons in 45 days.

The students who do their homework and study their facts at home are much farther ahead than those who don't. Similarly, the students that do their word study homework each night do the best on their tests and usage of the word patterns in their daily writing. It's great that Duke researchers have published all these studies, but I'm speaking from my first-hand experience.

Knowing the difference completing homework makes (on many different levels) will influence the bringing up of my own children, who will most definitely be getting their work done every night.



That 85 lessons in 45 days is the problem of the county curriculum, not the studentsSomething is wrong. Seems like you are COVERING the material, but not teaching it, then it is the responsibility of the parents to teach?
I am tired of seeing silly number puzzles coming home as "homework". We look the answers up online. If it is not that, it is busy work.


Actually, I feel that I do a pretty darn good job teaching the material. Yes, I try my best to teach the required material in the given time, and find that I can't adhere to the county's exact timeline, especially since they set it without taking into account the different populations at each of the 150+ elementary schools. I think what we're asked to teach and cover is crazy, but if I don't do my best to do it, my students will be at a disadvantage when compared to their peers from other schools (or countries, as is the reason for some of this). Many teachers do a heck of a lot to get every child to learn the material, including using free time to re-teach those that need it and enrich others. School is very different from when we went through it (at least in my experience).

I don't know what to tell you about the silly number puzzles, because I don't know what you're referring to. Every homework that is sent home should be done with purpose. Sometimes they are activities to make the task more fun (crazy, I know), but there should always be a skill that is being worked on for a reason.
Anonymous
Clearly we all have our own opinions, and that is fine.

From my teaching experience, I see the need for homework and will enforce this requirement in my own home. If I wanted to know if a certain medication was right for my child, I would ask a doctor. If I wanted help getting my child to sleep through the night, I would ask a parent that has been successful. Not that their way would be the only way, but I would value their experience and expertise.

Truly, I would not want to be a 4th grade child that comes in with no or incomplete homework each day. I see two things happening (beyond any academic impact): the other children labeling the child as different (and not in a good way) and the child developing an attitude about being above everyone else, including the teacher.


I agree with you.

Some teachers seem to think that because parents come home late, work 2 jobs, don't work at all, and therefore do not have time to supervise their children that the solution is no homework. They anticipate this will change when the child is in high school. Then, they will scream the school system failed their children and demand remedial services.
Anonymous
Sure there is. Maybe some of the kids who don't do homework regularly come from abusive households and witness fight after fight when they get home. Or maybe they have a single mom working double shifts who can't be there to help the kid sit down and do his homework. Or maybe there's an undiagnosed learning disability. Maybe the parents are not well educated and don't understand some of the homework that's coming home (and therefore can't help). Maybe the kid has to work himself and doesn't have time to do the homework.


You obvoiusly view this scenario as a model for excellent performance on school exams! Get real.
If this occurs at home and your child doesn't do homework the child will fail in a normal school setting.

Anonymous
I don't think that the solutin is "no homework". But it should be "limited homework" in early elementary -- when children really do need more supervision, esepcially if they aren't yet reading.

A first or second grader should not have an hour of homework each day, in my opinion. It matters not what type of work his parents do.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
In elementary school, our curriculum doesn't allow too much time for the study of basic facts or what I feel is enough repetition and practice. This quarter, I'm supposed to teach 85 math lessons in 45 days.

The students who do their homework and study their facts at home are much farther ahead than those who don't. Similarly, the students that do their word study homework each night do the best on their tests and usage of the word patterns in their daily writing. It's great that Duke researchers have published all these studies, but I'm speaking from my first-hand experience.

Knowing the difference completing homework makes (on many different levels) will influence the bringing up of my own children, who will most definitely be getting their work done every night.



This teacher is in the trenches. I value her first hand observations. She is spot on. There is no reason to dispute her claim her better students in reading and math are those that do their practise exercises at home (homework)



Sure there is. Maybe some of the kids who don't do homework regularly come from abusive households and witness fight after fight when they get home. Or maybe they have a single mom working double shifts who can't be there to help the kid sit down and do his homework. Or maybe there's an undiagnosed learning disability. Maybe the parents are not well educated and don't understand some of the homework that's coming home (and therefore can't help). Maybe the kid has to work himself and doesn't have time to do the homework.



These are good points, coming from the teacher that is being referenced. If a child isn't doing their homework, the teacher should be finding out the root cause. I work in a school where many of the parents don't speak English, aren't educated in their native languages, and some of my kids are abused. As a teacher, I find a way to help the child and treat each scenario differently. What is fair is not always equal. So, while I may help a child find time to do it in school since their parents can't help them, I may find alternative assignments for another child who needs a different kind of challenge.

Like someone else said, the child should be able to complete the homework alone in a given time period. I spend a lot of time at back to school night talking about homework, and how I see it as practice for something that has already been taught. If a child is struggling, or the assignment is taking too long, all I ask for is a note at the top of the page.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Expecting parents (especially those with several children, and some who maybe have been at work till 6, and are just getting home to work on dinner and then the long battle that is homework) to individually supervise and actively TEACH math facts and sight words and so on-- for MORE than 10 or 20 minutes per day for a first or second grader -- I don't care what the studies say, I think that is just unworkable.

If elementary schools aren't allowing enough time for mastery of basic facts or for repetition, then that is a problem.


Exactly!


So -- this question to the teacher teaching 80 math lessons in 40 days -- what are you supposed to be teaching in math, if it isn't basic math facts?


During the current quarter, our curriculum involves addition and subtraction. For both, there are a few days for the basic facts up to 10. Then there are lessons for adding/subtracting using 7, 8, 9, and 10. We work with number lines, counting on, ten-frames, base-10 blocks, pennies and dimes, fact families, word problems, missing addends/minuends, and more. Teaching these strategies doesn't leave much time for helping the children learn their facts quickly. The focus is more on understanding the concepts of addition and subtraction these days. Unfortunately, the kids really need to know their facts quickly, and a lot don't. I think it's great that they know different ways to find a sum or difference, which will help them with more difficult problems in the future, but they need to improve their speed too. That is why I ask the children to study their facts at home. It could be for 5 minutes a night, but it needs to be done! Parents should not have to teach their children anything related to homework, but to help them with flashcards (or anything else) shouldn't be out of the question.
Anonymous
Unfortunately, in many of our schools, all studens are not on task 90% of the time, and b/c of cultural differences (language barriers included) and poverty levels, teachers will never ensure that all students are learning the same material at the same rate.

So homework can often be ONE factor to help teachers assess their students. However, if a child's household is crowded, if English is not a first language, or if abuse is a factor, homework will amount to nothing.

So while I think homework is important - especially as a way to help students develop responsibility - it's not always a successful measure. So flexibility (as one PP, a teacher, mentioned) is very important.

I often remind those not in the profession that we're not creating Widgets; we're dealing with human beings who learn at different rates and who come to us with different skill sets. And sadly, many children in my particular school are already "damaged goods."
Anonymous
Every homework policy I've heard of (and backed by research - of which I don't have links, so feel free to seek it out yourself) suggest 10 minutes of homework for each grade in school. So, no first grader should be doing an hour of homework at night.

If that is the case, it may be an issue with the individual teacher. Sometimes teachers don't realize how long an assignment can take. Talk to the teacher about it. Not in an accusing way, but by asking what the policy is, and then citing any discrepancy you see. A good teacher will work with you to make it work for all involved. As a teacher I certainly don't intend to make life miserable for children or parents, so if that's the case, I would hope to be made aware of the situation.
Anonymous
5 minutes or practicing math facts at home doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I will say, the problem with your curriculum seems to be yo uhave to teach too many different strategies. Your school district should figure out which strategies are the most efficient, and just teach those.
Anonymous
Unfortunately, when all is said and done regarding the homework issue many area families will still supplement their children's education particularly in the area of mathematics a subject that is treated superficially in the school systems. This supplementation is not overkill as witnessed by past performance on national exams. Indeed, many schools in MCPS and PCPD like to claim responsibility for the present "success" (on State exams/ of many of their students who may spend more time getting supplemental help from parents, tutors and Kumon/Score/ type establishments and not fromtheir teachers and school assignments.

In other words, if the teachers didn't give any homework (easier workload for them since they do not have to grade these exercises) , many children will find a way to do > 1 hour of homework to gain mastery and depth particularly in subjects like math and science.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:5 minutes or practicing math facts at home doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I will say, the problem with your curriculum seems to be yo uhave to teach too many different strategies. Your school district should figure out which strategies are the most efficient, and just teach those.


I (as well as my team members) completely agree. We find that some children just aren't developmentally ready for everything we teach. Unfortunately. when we are compared to other countries, our test scores come up short. So, the curriculum is getting pushed down further and further, even though it doesn't make sense. They don't seem to take into account all the factors that go into the scores of the other countries' test scores. For instance, the TIMSS study showed that in Japan, teachers get about half the day to plan. I could come up with some fantastic lessons given that time! There are many other factors, too. We were recently told the 6th grade curriculum will soon be taught in 5th grade. It's absurd! I love my job though, and I'm going to do it the best I can.

Sorry, I become pretty passionate about these types of issues. I'll slowly back away now...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, when all is said and done regarding the homework issue many area families will still supplement their children's education particularly in the area of mathematics a subject that is treated superficially in the school systems. This supplementation is not overkill as witnessed by past performance on national exams. Indeed, many schools in MCPS and PCPD like to claim responsibility for the present "success" (on State exams/ of many of their students who may spend more time getting supplemental help from parents, tutors and Kumon/Score/ type establishments and not fromtheir teachers and school assignments.

In other words, if the teachers didn't give any homework (easier workload for them since they do not have to grade these exercises) , many children will find a way to do > 1 hour of homework to gain mastery and depth particularly in subjects like math and science.


I don't know that MCPS really is experiencing great "success" in math right now -- are you sure about that? I seem to remember hearing somehting about declining math test scores.
Anonymous
Unfortunately, I agree with this assessment. My kids go to school for socialization. They follow an entirely different and more advanced curriculum at home because of the slow pace and superficial content at school. They do all their homework before they get home during down time in their classes. Their compact curriculum is efficiently done by the children in 1 to 1 and 1/4 hours per night.

We anticipate the pace and depth at school will pick up in middle or high school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, when all is said and done regarding the homework issue many area families will still supplement their children's education particularly in the area of mathematics a subject that is treated superficially in the school systems. This supplementation is not overkill as witnessed by past performance on national exams. Indeed, many schools in MCPS and PCPD like to claim responsibility for the present "success" (on State exams/ of many of their students who may spend more time getting supplemental help from parents, tutors and Kumon/Score/ type establishments and not fromtheir teachers and school assignments.

In other words, if the teachers didn't give any homework (easier workload for them since they do not have to grade these exercises) , many children will find a way to do > 1 hour of homework to gain mastery and depth particularly in subjects like math and science.


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obviously not an educator

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