Oberlin College ordered to post $36 million bond to delay Gibson’s Bakery collection of Judgment

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From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

I guess you two Jesus freaks stayed dry in college when underage. Get a life.

From the first page: "in 2017, the ‘Culture of Theft’ was even discussed fondly in the school’s magazine. One local bookstore owner said that she loses $10,000 a year in stolen goods to Oberlin students."

And the issue is whether the bakery is racist or not, targeting minorities while giving free passes to white shoplifters. As I understand it, this is what Oberlin students were objecting to. If you want to discuss this, bring it on.

The shops should learn from CVS: keep products that students shoplift behind the counter so they have to pay for them directly. Retail 101.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

Nope she was an instigator. There are plenty of articles that talk about the school’s involvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

Nope she was an instigator. There are plenty of articles that talk about the school’s involvement.

Those “articles” usually come from FOX and other alt-right media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

Nope she was an instigator. There are plenty of articles that talk about the school’s involvement.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

Nope she was an instigator. There are plenty of articles that talk about the school’s involvement.

Exactly.

If you watch FOX, stay for their commercial breaks to see their demographics. Viagra, retirement funds, Metamucil, adult diapers, nursing care, final plans... you get the picture.l. We would never allow your group to create iTune playlist, so why would anyone allow oldies like you to decide their politics?

[Anonymous]

^ here ya go Dum Dum
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/the-publicly-shamed-sue-oberlin-college-verdict/591379/

Read it slowly and try to sound out the words if it gets too hard for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ here ya go Dum Dum
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/the-publicly-shamed-sue-oberlin-college-verdict/591379/

Read it slowly and try to sound out the words if it gets too hard for you.

Meh. I stopped after your 2nd word, “ya.” I’ll take Oberlin any day considering what’s happening around the country. Fake research by a top research university means life and death for people. Makes Oberlin look like Mother Theresa.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna987316

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ here ya go Dum Dum
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/the-publicly-shamed-sue-oberlin-college-verdict/591379/

Read it slowly and try to sound out the words if it gets too hard for you.

Meh. I stopped after your 2nd word, “ya.” I’ll take Oberlin any day considering what’s happening around the country. Fake research by a top research university means life and death for people. Makes Oberlin look like Mother Theresa.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna987316

Meh. You were always going keep to your identity politics.
Signed,
A better dem than you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

I think she was present to keep order, not as an organizer. If you say the college “organized” the student protest because of her presence, what’s to prevent imputing all student protests to their colleges or universities based on the flimsiest nexus? Most college protests take place on the college campus; students could have their college names on protest signs (“Yale Students for Equality”). Now are colleges responsible?

I believe that was her testimony, but her emails etc told a different tale. It is the province of the jury to weigh the credibility of the witnesses. The verdict (not the judgment) obviously let one draw the conclusion that her testimony on the subject was not entirely believable. First there will be a motion for new trial. On jury decisions this is relevant:
"Under Civ.R. 59(A)(6), a trial court may grant a new trial when a judgment is not
supported by the weight of the evidence. In granting a new trial for this reason, a
trial court must weigh the evidence and pass upon the credibility of the witnesses,
“not in the substantially unlimited sense that such weight and credibility are
passed on originally by the jury but in the more restricted sense of whether it
appears to the trial court that manifest injustice has been done and that the verdict
is against the manifest weight of the evidence.” Rohde, 23 Ohio St.2d 82, 262
N.E.2d 685, paragraph three of the syllabus. As stated above, the trial court may
not set aside the jury’s verdict under Civ.R. 59(A)(6) due to a “mere difference of
opinion.” Id. at 92. “[R]ather, the relief should be granted only when the trial
court is persuaded that there is insufficient credible evidence to sustain the verdict
in light of the other evidence presented.” Green v. Bailey, 1st Dist. No.
C-070221, 2008-Ohio-3569,"

Granting a new trial is rare. Getting the order denying a new trial overturned on appeal by arguing the jury was wrong is even more rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

It's pretty clear, as it is in just about all instances, that the only real "minority angst" were about the AA students as they are for most practical purposes the only "true" POC. You're just extrapolating wildly because the college allowed a foolish situation to happen in the name of identity politics and it backfired spectacularly through ignorance, bigotry and stupidity on behalf of the Oberlin administration and students.

[Anonymous]

This judgment against Oberlin has been upheld.
cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/09/us/oberlin-college-bakery-lawsuit-payment-reaj/index.html

[Anonymous]

There must be a way for Oberlin to declare bankruptcy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There must be a way for Oberlin to declare bankruptcy.

First of all, Oberlin has litigation insurance which has paid out.

Secondly, Oberlin has an endowment and assets more generally worth far more than $26 million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This judgment against Oberlin has been upheld.
cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/09/us/oberlin-college-bakery-lawsuit-payment-reaj/index.html

Oberlin grad and eegads. I don't really understand how this comes out to a $36 million judgment, though. That seems crazy high based on every recounting I've read of what actually happened.