Oberlin College ordered to post $36 million bond to delay Gibson’s Bakery collection of Judgment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

College kids shoplift cuz they are underage and can’t buy legally. The Oberlin kid should have had upperclassman but for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

I guess you two Jesus freaks stayed dry in college when underage. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

I guess you two Jesus freaks stayed dry in college when underage. Get a life.

From the first page: "in 2017, the ‘Culture of Theft’ was even discussed fondly in the school’s magazine. One local bookstore owner said that she loses $10,000 a year in stolen goods to Oberlin students."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

I guess you two Jesus freaks stayed dry in college when underage. Get a life.

From the first page: "in 2017, the ‘Culture of Theft’ was even discussed fondly in the school’s magazine. One local bookstore owner said that she loses $10,000 a year in stolen goods to Oberlin students."

And the issue is whether the bakery is racist or not, targeting minorities while giving free passes to white shoplifters. As I understand it, this is what Oberlin students were objecting to. If you want to discuss this, bring it on.

[Anonymous]

As to the statistics, the evidence was kept by the local police department. Perhaps the breakdown offered was the best that could be offered based on the records of the PD. They also had a census bureau breakdown of the population. Would it have been nice to have more detail? Sure. But you can't go back and make up evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As to the statistics, the evidence was kept by the local police department. Perhaps the breakdown offered was the best that could be offered based on the records of the PD. They also had a census bureau breakdown of the population. Would it have been nice to have more detail? Sure. But you can't go back and make up evidence.

Historically, many minority groups get counted as “whites” for the purpose of the law enforcement agencies’ appearing unbiased. So you need to read between the lines when PD releases stats showing 70% of the calls were against “whites”. Spposedly, exactly 70% of the local population are whites. Sounds like someone really doctored the stats. It’s just too perfect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As to the statistics, the evidence was kept by the local police department. Perhaps the breakdown offered was the best that could be offered based on the records of the PD. They also had a census bureau breakdown of the population. Would it have been nice to have more detail? Sure. But you can't go back and make up evidence.

Historically, many minority groups get counted as “whites” for the purpose of the law enforcement agencies’ appearing unbiased. So you need to read between the lines when PD releases stats showing 70% of the calls were against “whites”. Spposedly, exactly 70% of the local population are whites. Sounds like someone really doctored the stats. It’s just too perfect.

Do stores always call the police for shoplifting? I thought they didn't, unless it was a real problem, widespread, constant.

[Anonymous]

As Benjamin Disraeli said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

[Anonymous]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/13/texas-most-wanted-list-filled-with-white-suspects-/

Yes, you can use stats to lie.

[Anonymous]

Are you going to define race by using their last names? Seems like I recall a federal agency tried to do that without much success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As to the statistics, the evidence was kept by the local police department. Perhaps the breakdown offered was the best that could be offered based on the records of the PD. They also had a census bureau breakdown of the population. Would it have been nice to have more detail? Sure. But you can't go back and make up evidence.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the tort here.

Did Oberlin administrators officially declare that the bakery is "racist"? Oberlin has zero control over what its adult students decide to protest (or not protest).

Oberlin cancelled its contract with the bakery. But that in itself does not constitute slander.

Someone please explain to me how Oberlin THE INSTITUTION is culpable?

Wasn’t an Oberlin administrator organizing and leading some of the protests? It wasn’t just students, as I recall.

Yes. The Dean of Students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

From what I recall the factual evidence on racism were police records showing that Gibson’s did not disproportionately accuse black customers of theft.

Oberlin’s counter presentation of facts could have been that Gibson’s did disproportionately call the police on black customers but that was not the case.

Some statements from students and professors about their feelings is just opinion and not probative.

I do think the amount will be carved down - it’s just not in the public interest to impose costs like that on nonprofit educational institutions.

Supposedly the bakery called on whites approximately 70% of the time. Surprised Oberlin attorneys didn’t ask for the breakdown of the “whites”. “Whites” include Hispanic from Mexico, Central America, and South America, Muslims, SE Asians (Pakistanis, Indians), and Northern Africans. Once you get a breakdown, you can get a better picture of whether the bakery was targeting minorities.

Maybe the college students should stop the shoplifting? Geez.

Bingo.

I guess you two Jesus freaks stayed dry in college when underage. Get a life.

From the first page: "in 2017, the ‘Culture of Theft’ was even discussed fondly in the school’s magazine. One local bookstore owner said that she loses $10,000 a year in stolen goods to Oberlin students."

Well now we know who is shop lifting at Whole Foods c