Boundary review can’t come soon enough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP- no chance of that happening. Not while bowser is in office and lives in Shepard park. And she is going to run for a third term. Her kid will be at Shepard in three more years so just assume SP will feed to deal then Wilson until her kid graduates!

I doubt it. She has already hinted her daughter will be in a parish school. SP is going to be re-routed to Ida Wells.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP- no chance of that happening. Not while bowser is in office and lives in Shepard park. And she is going to run for a third term. Her kid will be at Shepard in three more years so just assume SP will feed to deal then Wilson until her kid graduates!

It’s spelled Shepherd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

Watkins itself may be further away but kids live within the entire Cluster boundary, regardless of so-called gerrymandering. Plus, Maury boundary isn't any closer to SH than JOW or the Cluster boundaries (It's inside LT boundary). Or for than matter, Miner's western boundary.

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1348806.

Here is the prior year since Maury isn't shown above because of the swing space:

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1267916

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

Watkins itself may be further away but kids live within the entire Cluster boundary, regardless of so-called gerrymandering. Plus, Maury boundary isn't any closer to SH than JOW or the Cluster boundaries (It's inside LT boundary). Or for than matter, Miner's western boundary.

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1348806.

Here is the prior year since Maury isn't shown above because of the swing space:

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1267916

Again, I didn't say Maury should feed to SH just that I think the middle school feeder patterns and boundaries are problematic because they result in underutilized resources. JOW should certainly feed to SH based on proximity. The clearly gerrymandered cluster boundary screws things up and I believe it should be redrawn in the next review. Maury should probably feed to E-H, but so should half of the cluster boundary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

Watkins itself may be further away but kids live within the entire Cluster boundary, regardless of so-called gerrymandering. Plus, Maury boundary isn't any closer to SH than JOW or the Cluster boundaries (It's inside LT boundary). Or for than matter, Miner's western boundary.

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1348806.

Here is the prior year since Maury isn't shown above because of the swing space:

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1267916

Again, I didn't say Maury should feed to SH just that I think the middle school feeder patterns and boundaries are problematic because they result in underutilized resources. JOW should certainly feed to SH based on proximity. The clearly gerrymandered cluster boundary screws things up and I believe it should be redrawn in the next review. Maury should probably feed to E-H, but so should half of the cluster boundary.

No, it shouldn't. ECE in a separate location (including mandatory K) justifies a shuttle between Watkins and Peabody and proximity to Peabody that also allows SH families to manage siblings across the feed. If Brent ever starts sending enough students to Jefferson they could make a strong case for a similar setup. Maury is close enough to Eliot Hine that it wouldn't be necessary

Peabody K in a separate building is the reason for the Cluster feeder pattern, not some nefarious "gerrymandering"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will likely happen in a few years as scheduled, but whatever you are hoping to get, you may not get it.

You do realize that redrawing boundaries means you are at risk of losing YOUR school. All of Lafayette sent to Ida B. Wells and so forth. Some WOTP residents are going to be unhappy.

You guys have got to be crazy if you think any of the parents in Ward 3 who bought 1.5m houses to access Deal/Wilson are going to allow themselves to be zoned out. That’s a political non-starter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will likely happen in a few years as scheduled, but whatever you are hoping to get, you may not get it.

You do realize that redrawing boundaries means you are at risk of losing YOUR school. All of Lafayette sent to Ida B. Wells and so forth. Some WOTP residents are going to be unhappy.

You guys have got to be crazy if you think any of the parents in Ward 3 who bought 1.5m houses to access Deal/Wilson are going to allow themselves to be zoned out. That’s a political non-starter.

You have got to be crazy to think W3 parents have any political clout. Where is this clout?

[Anonymous]

I think the folks who are really obsessed with overcrowding need to try attending one of the many under-enrolled middle schools. We really don’t need a new thread on this every other week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will likely happen in a few years as scheduled, but whatever you are hoping to get, you may not get it.

You do realize that redrawing boundaries means you are at risk of losing YOUR school. All of Lafayette sent to Ida B. Wells and so forth. Some WOTP residents are going to be unhappy.

You guys have got to be crazy if you think any of the parents in Ward 3 who bought 1.5m houses to access Deal/Wilson are going to allow themselves to be zoned out. That’s a political non-starter.

You have got to be crazy to think W3 parents have any political clout. Where is this clout?

I think Ward 3 parents have tremendous clout. The JKLM elementary schools are raising hundreds of dollars per student per year - if that doesn’t indicate organization and dedication, I don’t know what does. Also most of the seats in those schools are taken IB kids - these are highly used neighborhood schools and families with multiple kids who will be engaged with each school for a decade or more. The working group convened on this issue was extremely clear - invest in other schools to limit the pressure on Wilson and limit the OOB seats. There is certainly enough gentrification in other Wards to place enough pressure on the DC govt to create a better alternative high school. In Ward 5 for example where some of the elementary schools are strong. But there is zero appetite to rile up the Ward 3 parents. Don’t believe me - wait til 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will likely happen in a few years as scheduled, but whatever you are hoping to get, you may not get it.

You do realize that redrawing boundaries means you are at risk of losing YOUR school. All of Lafayette sent to Ida B. Wells and so forth. Some WOTP residents are going to be unhappy.

You guys have got to be crazy if you think any of the parents in Ward 3 who bought 1.5m houses to access Deal/Wilson are going to allow themselves to be zoned out. That’s a political non-starter.

You have got to be crazy to think W3 parents have any political clout. Where is this clout?

I think Ward 3 parents have tremendous clout. The JKLM elementary schools are raising hundreds of dollars per student per year - if that doesn’t indicate organization and dedication, I don’t know what does. Also most of the seats in those schools are taken IB kids - these are highly used neighborhood schools and families with multiple kids who will be engaged with each school for a decade or more. The working group convened on this issue was extremely clear - invest in other schools to limit the pressure on Wilson and limit the OOB seats. There is certainly enough gentrification in other Wards to place enough pressure on the DC govt to create a better alternative high school. In Ward 5 for example where some of the elementary schools are strong. But there is zero appetite to rile up the Ward 3 parents. Don’t believe me - wait til 2022.

I think those ward 3 parents are up for a huge surprise. The elementary schools are due for a huge re-drawing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

Watkins itself may be further away but kids live within the entire Cluster boundary, regardless of so-called gerrymandering. Plus, Maury boundary isn't any closer to SH than JOW or the Cluster boundaries (It's inside LT boundary). Or for than matter, Miner's western boundary.

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1348806.

Here is the prior year since Maury isn't shown above because of the swing space:

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1267916

Again, I didn't say Maury should feed to SH just that I think the middle school feeder patterns and boundaries are problematic because they result in underutilized resources. JOW should certainly feed to SH based on proximity. The clearly gerrymandered cluster boundary screws things up and I believe it should be redrawn in the next review. Maury should probably feed to E-H, but so should half of the cluster boundary.

No, it shouldn't. ECE in a separate location (including mandatory K) justifies a shuttle between Watkins and Peabody and proximity to Peabody that also allows SH families to manage siblings across the feed. If Brent ever starts sending enough students to Jefferson they could make a strong case for a similar setup. Maury is close enough to Eliot Hine that it wouldn't be necessary

Peabody K in a separate building is the reason for the Cluster feeder pattern, not some nefarious "gerrymandering"

That's a circular argument. Peabody ECE could feed to a different, closer, school. Brent, for example, is becoming increasingly overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Actually I don't have kids at any of the schools I listed. Maury is a cap hill school, and should feed to SH, the cap hill middle school. SH has abysmal test scores and many of the more affluent cap hill residents avoid it. If Brent and Maury would feed to SH, then SH would improve and lots of DC kids would benefit (not just white kids). Here's an opportunity to improve a middle school, but DC won't take it. SH wouldn't become a segregated school full of only white kids. It's ridiculous to suggest that.

Unfortunately your responses are exactly what I'm talking about. It's the attitude that white and/or wealthy kids might benefit too so let's not do it, even if it would also benefit kids of other races and SES. So go ahead and keep telling people it's racist to demand high performing schools, but don't you dare say a word when DCPS and DCPCS continue to fail to deliver high performing schools. You're a big part of the problem.

Again - explain why Maury should attend SH over Tyler, Miner and Payne, all of which are closer to Stuart Hobson? Why not just sent Maury to Deal and kick Shepherd out?

So now at least one Maury booster full of themselves enough to think they get rights over every other school? So you think you're Brent community now

SH is doing just fine without you.

Yes. Plus, the Cluster, Ludlow-Taylor and JO Wilson (which feed currently) are closer than all of those listed above, to SH.

I don't necessarily think Maury should feed to S-H, but this discussion of proximity is ridiculous. Tyler, Payne and Miner are all farther away than Maury. Maury is equidistant to S-H with Brent. While Peabody is of course very close to S-H, Watkins is farther away than Maury and Brent. It's silly not to acknowledge the gerrymandered cluster boundary in this discussion of boundary review. Ideally there would be two Hill middle schools, with either a north south or an east west boundary, and the cluster should be broken up. Having Hill elementaries feed to 3 middle schools with 2 underenrolled is a waste of resources.

Watkins itself may be further away but kids live within the entire Cluster boundary, regardless of so-called gerrymandering. Plus, Maury boundary isn't any closer to SH than JOW or the Cluster boundaries (It's inside LT boundary). Or for than matter, Miner's western boundary.

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1348806.

Here is the prior year since Maury isn't shown above because of the swing space:

https://dme.dc.gov/node/1267916

Again, I didn't say Maury should feed to SH just that I think the middle school feeder patterns and boundaries are problematic because they result in underutilized resources. JOW should certainly feed to SH based on proximity. The clearly gerrymandered cluster boundary screws things up and I believe it should be redrawn in the next review. Maury should probably feed to E-H, but so should half of the cluster boundary.

No, it shouldn't. ECE in a separate location (including mandatory K) justifies a shuttle between Watkins and Peabody and proximity to Peabody that also allows SH families to manage siblings across the feed. If Brent ever starts sending enough students to Jefferson they could make a strong case for a similar setup. Maury is close enough to Eliot Hine that it wouldn't be necessary

Peabody K in a separate building is the reason for the Cluster feeder pattern, not some nefarious "gerrymandering"

That's a circular argument. Peabody ECE could feed to a different, closer, school. Brent, for example, is becoming increasingly overcrowded.

Sure - the world could revolve around Brent , or Brent can solve that problem by eliminating PK3. Peabody serves 227 students - more than half of Brent's full enrollment.

[Anonymous]

Reading this thread just makes me want to move to Arlington.

- IB Lafayette, formerly IB Murch, location chosen solely for access to Wilson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread just makes me want to move to Arlington.

- IB Lafayette, formerly IB Murch, location chosen solely for access to Wilson

Truth. Although maybe Bethesda not Arlington.