Do you support greater integration in your child's school and classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

[Anonymous]

First page* , delete the is, AP classes*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I do. I think that kids benefit from learning in a diverse classroom--economically and racially. They learn to see people of other races as individuals, not stereotypes; they learn about other people's cultures and experiences; they learn to work with others of different backgrounds; they see that their culture is not the default. All of these things are enriching and valuable.

Now, the means by which integration is achieved might be a problem for me, but the fact of integration is not.

I support an integrated classroom when all the kids are on the same page. My kid's AAP class is diverse, economically and racially but not academically. My DC is learning that all children are smart and hard-working. In an integrated classroom where some children are above grade level and some are significantly below grade level, the children will learn a different lesson.

This, and I am Af A. My DD is one of 3 Af A in her very diverse classes of AAP classes. She gets all 4.0's every quarter so she is a leader not a straggler holding other kids back, even while involved in 2 sports. And, I am not a helicopter Mom. I love the diversity in her school! Having said that, I would not like her in the regular classes as that offers a different picture of diversity. I might have her in private school if she were in reg classes as kids from all races are engaging in poor and inappropriate behavior. She will not befriend any of those children as we do not support children who misbehave or who perform poorly in school.

[Anonymous]

I was raised in an UMC Black family and was apart of the 1% in my school. We did get kids bussed from the Southside of Chicago as an experiment but they had separate remedial classes and I rarely saw them but remember being uneasy when I did. They were crazy! My parents told me they are not to come to our house ( I lived next to my HS). Most of my friends at school were white as were my classmates. I was in some advanced classes and remember myself being the only dot of diversity. Most days, I did not mind. I did not like the feeling, though, of neighbors initially thinking we were drug lords. Lol. We were later respected and they were actually friendly.

I refuse to put my kids in a non-diverse school. But, I do not think my ODD would care. She is friends with children of all races. She is also one of the top performers at her middle school with near perfect scores in everything and is very well behaved and focused on achievement in sports, orchestra and classes. Now, I do not know if I would feel the same if she were in the regular classes. I hear there are fights, kids are rowdy, and disrespectful. Her Math and Literature classes are advanced so the demographics are different in those classes. They are diverse racially, SE, but not academically.

I do not think my husband and I would move to a lower SES area. Neither of I were raised in one and it does not seem like a good idea. I do not want my child to end up around children who are pregnant, unproductive, and not secure. I am not racist, I do not care if these kids are orange, I am classist however. Sorry, but my children are my investment to this world and my family line. I want to continue my family heritage which includes attending great colleges, advanced degrees, and attaining excellent and exciting careers that make a difference in the world that will secure a great life for my grandchildren. Yeah, weird, I know but I have to be far-sighted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
This is a stupid question if asked in a vacuum. Most people wish for a diverse student body.

However, if you ask parents, who have scrimped and sacrificed to buy into a great school district, to risk losing real estate value because of redistricting, you're going to get a much different answer! They will view it as unfair for them to have sacrificed so much while others do not. It becomes a financial issue.

Full disclosure - we are a family of mixed ethnicity who tightened our belts for decades to afford to buy in a good school district.

We are also a family of mixed ethnicity. Our school was redistricted and we took a big hit on our home value as a result. I don't care about the school becoming more diverse ethnically or in terms of SES, although I'd say that if a lot of kids are well below grade level, the SB needs to be ready and willing to invest a lot of additional support, as necessary, into the school. Otherwise, prepare for a mass exodus of the upper SES kids to the nearest AAP center or private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

I also had the experience of seeing the white kids in high school in AP/Honors/gifted classes and the black kids in the normal classes. Except I was a "gifted" black kid taking classes alongside the white kids. We were completely segregated in school, even had our own hallway for our lockers, essentially our own wing of the school, and we had a somewhat separate lunch period. Its definitely made the white kids feel superior (and they certainly acted like it), but its worse for black kids who are made to feel like something is wrong with them that all the white kids in the school just are magically smarter and more valued than they are. I was treated like a unicorn, an accident, as if my smarts weren't normal, and that didn't feel good either.

But guess what? Those disgusting stereotypes can be fixed very easily: simply teach the kids about our damn history of consistently and systematically screwing over black people so that whites could benefit, which is happening up until this day. Teach them about redlining, black towns that were burned down, syphyllis testing on blacks, and then the modern stuff, how blacks were targeted by subprime mortgages, white flight, the drug epidemic in the 70s, how black books, movies, and other media wouldn't be published for ages, I can go on and on and on. Put those things in our American history and social studies curriculums, or teach them at home yourselves, and then those segregated classes could be the greatest learning experience for them.

I also think its disgusting that white people are in here discussing how another child's welfare benefits them, and if they don't see direct benefits, they aren't interested. If you were talking about fellow white children, let's say European children who were scarred by war or poverty or Appalachian kids who were displaced by earthquakes or something and ended up refugees in your town, you would feel moved to help them. And you would more easily see how "bad" kids simply being around good kids changes the former to be good, not the latter to be bad. That's why schools worked decades ago when there was ECONOMIC DIVERSITY in schools. Now, upper middle class people are consistently trying to hoard everything they possibly can and using the excuse of their own children's safety and success (you know good and well your kids will do just fine) to watch other children languish in schools where they are being isolated and marginalized among. (And much of this is just to see their home prices rise out of greed).

And worse, you all don't know the different between the poor black kid with behavioral problems and depression, or the middle class black kid who loves science, or the poor black kid who is hard working and studious, or the middle class black kid who lost both his parents in a car accident the year before and acts out. They're all brown so that's all you need to know to keep them away from your school. Its racism plain and simple.

White kids are not all universally smarter, better behaved, or without traumas and problems. Its just that when they act up, no one notices and everyone around them is there to help. They aren't going to get kicked out and their poor little neighborhood across the road isn't going to be rezoned away. But let a black child do one thing wrong, let them make mistakes like an actual child, and its "I fear for the safety of my child and don't want them around bad influences, so we need to keep them ALL away."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

I also had the experience of seeing the white kids in high school in AP/Honors/gifted classes and the black kids in the normal classes. Except I was a "gifted" black kid taking classes alongside the white kids. We were completely segregated in school, even had our own hallway for our lockers, essentially our own wing of the school, and we had a somewhat separate lunch period. Its definitely made the white kids feel superior (and they certainly acted like it), but its worse for black kids who are made to feel like something is wrong with them that all the white kids in the school just are magically smarter and more valued than they are. I was treated like a unicorn, an accident, as if my smarts weren't normal, and that didn't feel good either.

But guess what? Those disgusting stereotypes can be fixed very easily: simply teach the kids about our damn history of consistently and systematically screwing over black people so that whites could benefit, which is happening up until this day. Teach them about redlining, black towns that were burned down, syphyllis testing on blacks, and then the modern stuff, how blacks were targeted by subprime mortgages, white flight, the drug epidemic in the 70s, how black books, movies, and other media wouldn't be published for ages, I can go on and on and on. Put those things in our American history and social studies curriculums, or teach them at home yourselves, and then those segregated classes could be the greatest learning experience for them.

I also think its disgusting that white people are in here discussing how another child's welfare benefits them, and if they don't see direct benefits, they aren't interested. If you were talking about fellow white children, let's say European children who were scarred by war or poverty or Appalachian kids who were displaced by earthquakes or something and ended up refugees in your town, you would feel moved to help them. And you would more easily see how "bad" kids simply being around good kids changes the former to be good, not the latter to be bad. That's why schools worked decades ago when there was ECONOMIC DIVERSITY in schools. Now, upper middle class people are consistently trying to hoard everything they possibly can and using the excuse of their own children's safety and success (you know good and well your kids will do just fine) to watch other children languish in schools where they are being isolated and marginalized among. (And much of this is just to see their home prices rise out of greed).

And worse, you all don't know the different between the poor black kid with behavioral problems and depression, or the middle class black kid who loves science, or the poor black kid who is hard working and studious, or the middle class black kid who lost both his parents in a car accident the year before and acts out. They're all brown so that's all you need to know to keep them away from your school. Its racism plain and simple.

White kids are not all universally smarter, better behaved, or without traumas and problems. Its just that when they act up, no one notices and everyone around them is there to help. They aren't going to get kicked out and their poor little neighborhood across the road isn't going to be rezoned away. But let a black child do one thing wrong, let them make mistakes like an actual child, and its "I fear for the safety of my child and don't want them around bad influences, so we need to keep them ALL away."

Yes! Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Do I want more problem kids and their checked out parents who don’t do sh*t for the school? No.
Otherwise, I don’t mind diversity (but tbh I would prefer my kid to be in a majority).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

I also had the experience of seeing the white kids in high school in AP/Honors/gifted classes and the black kids in the normal classes. Except I was a "gifted" black kid taking classes alongside the white kids. We were completely segregated in school, even had our own hallway for our lockers, essentially our own wing of the school, and we had a somewhat separate lunch period. Its definitely made the white kids feel superior (and they certainly acted like it), but its worse for black kids who are made to feel like something is wrong with them that all the white kids in the school just are magically smarter and more valued than they are. I was treated like a unicorn, an accident, as if my smarts weren't normal, and that didn't feel good either.

But guess what? Those disgusting stereotypes can be fixed very easily: simply teach the kids about our damn history of consistently and systematically screwing over black people so that whites could benefit, which is happening up until this day. Teach them about redlining, black towns that were burned down, syphyllis testing on blacks, and then the modern stuff, how blacks were targeted by subprime mortgages, white flight, the drug epidemic in the 70s, how black books, movies, and other media wouldn't be published for ages, I can go on and on and on. Put those things in our American history and social studies curriculums, or teach them at home yourselves, and then those segregated classes could be the greatest learning experience for them.

I also think its disgusting that white people are in here discussing how another child's welfare benefits them, and if they don't see direct benefits, they aren't interested. If you were talking about fellow white children, let's say European children who were scarred by war or poverty or Appalachian kids who were displaced by earthquakes or something and ended up refugees in your town, you would feel moved to help them. And you would more easily see how "bad" kids simply being around good kids changes the former to be good, not the latter to be bad. That's why schools worked decades ago when there was ECONOMIC DIVERSITY in schools. Now, upper middle class people are consistently trying to hoard everything they possibly can and using the excuse of their own children's safety and success (you know good and well your kids will do just fine) to watch other children languish in schools where they are being isolated and marginalized among. (And much of this is just to see their home prices rise out of greed).

And worse, you all don't know the different between the poor black kid with behavioral problems and depression, or the middle class black kid who loves science, or the poor black kid who is hard working and studious, or the middle class black kid who lost both his parents in a car accident the year before and acts out. They're all brown so that's all you need to know to keep them away from your school. Its racism plain and simple.

White kids are not all universally smarter, better behaved, or without traumas and problems. Its just that when they act up, no one notices and everyone around them is there to help. They aren't going to get kicked out and their poor little neighborhood across the road isn't going to be rezoned away. But let a black child do one thing wrong, let them make mistakes like an actual child, and its "I fear for the safety of my child and don't want them around bad influences, so we need to keep them ALL away."

Yes! Thank you.

PP - here's my question to you. When you talk about "economic diversity," how economically diverse is diverse enough for you?

If we accept that economically segregated schools are bad and unjust and that integrated schools are good, how do you define "integrated?" The very premise of integrating schools in terms of economics is that students in a segregated school are deprived of the opportunity to receive a quality education. And to some extent, that is because larger numbers of poor students at a school create various problematic issues, from lack of parental involvement, to discipline issues, to poor school readiness, to insufficient resources to address extensive needs. And that is understandable, when parents are struggling to get by and kids are exposed to hardship and violence.

And we can probably all agree that some level of lower SES students in a school will in no way disrupt the education of higher SES students. The star students will shine no matter what in that environment and a lower SES student with star potential will have greater opportunities in a more diverse school with more resources available. Both groups benefit from having an economically diverse school, and in fact, the higher SES students with educated parents can help lower SES students to develop better study skills, become more involved, etc.

But at some point, the balance tips. Do you have an opinion as to at what point that happens? I think that part of the problem when we talk about economic integration is that it is just an undefined concept. My kids go to a school with 15% FARMs (and racial diversity at all SES levels). I have watched that FARMs number grow over the years, and to have seen some of the issues associated with less stable families including more violence and behavior issues. But that's ok. Not all higher SES kids, including mine, are perfect either. I want my kids to be exposed to all types of people. Their environment does not have to be perfect, but it needs to be safe. To some extent, if my kids are bullied or otherwise impacted by other students who may be FARMs kids, we have resources to address those concerns. I am ok with some issues up to a point. For me, the tipping point is probably around 20-25%% FARMS, I can't imagine that having more that 30% FARMs kids would not significantly impact the educational experience of all students, including those higher SES students used to being around classmates (of all races and ethnicities) with more stable families.

So how do you define what is economically integrated? What is your cutoff in term of SES diversity? Are you willing to send your children to a 30 or 40% FARMs school in the name of economic diversity or to correct historic wrongs?

[Anonymous]

Short answer: NO, it is not my kid's job to help make other kids better by his presence or example. Fvck that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

I also had the experience of seeing the white kids in high school in AP/Honors/gifted classes and the black kids in the normal classes. Except I was a "gifted" black kid taking classes alongside the white kids. We were completely segregated in school, even had our own hallway for our lockers, essentially our own wing of the school, and we had a somewhat separate lunch period. Its definitely made the white kids feel superior (and they certainly acted like it), but its worse for black kids who are made to feel like something is wrong with them that all the white kids in the school just are magically smarter and more valued than they are. I was treated like a unicorn, an accident, as if my smarts weren't normal, and that didn't feel good either.

But guess what? Those disgusting stereotypes can be fixed very easily: simply teach the kids about our damn history of consistently and systematically screwing over black people so that whites could benefit, which is happening up until this day. Teach them about redlining, black towns that were burned down, syphyllis testing on blacks, and then the modern stuff, how blacks were targeted by subprime mortgages, white flight, the drug epidemic in the 70s, how black books, movies, and other media wouldn't be published for ages, I can go on and on and on. Put those things in our American history and social studies curriculums, or teach them at home yourselves, and then those segregated classes could be the greatest learning experience for them.

I also think its disgusting that white people are in here discussing how another child's welfare benefits them, and if they don't see direct benefits, they aren't interested. If you were talking about fellow white children, let's say European children who were scarred by war or poverty or Appalachian kids who were displaced by earthquakes or something and ended up refugees in your town, you would feel moved to help them. And you would more easily see how "bad" kids simply being around good kids changes the former to be good, not the latter to be bad. That's why schools worked decades ago when there was ECONOMIC DIVERSITY in schools. Now, upper middle class people are consistently trying to hoard everything they possibly can and using the excuse of their own children's safety and success (you know good and well your kids will do just fine) to watch other children languish in schools where they are being isolated and marginalized among. (And much of this is just to see their home prices rise out of greed).

And worse, you all don't know the different between the poor black kid with behavioral problems and depression, or the middle class black kid who loves science, or the poor black kid who is hard working and studious, or the middle class black kid who lost both his parents in a car accident the year before and acts out. They're all brown so that's all you need to know to keep them away from your school. Its racism plain and simple.

White kids are not all universally smarter, better behaved, or without traumas and problems. Its just that when they act up, no one notices and everyone around them is there to help. They aren't going to get kicked out and their poor little neighborhood across the road isn't going to be rezoned away. But let a black child do one thing wrong, let them make mistakes like an actual child, and its "I fear for the safety of my child and don't want them around bad influences, so we need to keep them ALL away."

Yes! Thank you.

PP - here's my question to you. When you talk about "economic diversity," how economically diverse is diverse enough for you?

If we accept that economically segregated schools are bad and unjust and that integrated schools are good, how do you define "integrated?" The very premise of integrating schools in terms of economics is that students in a segregated school are deprived of the opportunity to receive a quality education. And to some extent, that is because larger numbers of poor students at a school create various problematic issues, from lack of parental involvement, to discipline issues, to poor school readiness, to insufficient resources to address extensive needs. And that is understandable, when parents are struggling to get by and kids are exposed to hardship and violence.

And we can probably all agree that some level of lower SES students in a school will in no way disrupt the education of higher SES students. The star students will shine no matter what in that environment and a lower SES student with star potential will have greater opportunities in a more diverse school with more resources available. Both groups benefit from having an economically diverse school, and in fact, the higher SES students with educated parents can help lower SES students to develop better study skills, become more involved, etc.

But at some point, the balance tips. Do you have an opinion as to at what point that happens? I think that part of the problem when we talk about economic integration is that it is just an undefined concept. My kids go to a school with 15% FARMs (and racial diversity at all SES levels). I have watched that FARMs number grow over the years, and to have seen some of the issues associated with less stable families including more violence and behavior issues. But that's ok. Not all higher SES kids, including mine, are perfect either. I want my kids to be exposed to all types of people. Their environment does not have to be perfect, but it needs to be safe. To some extent, if my kids are bullied or otherwise impacted by other students who may be FARMs kids, we have resources to address those concerns. I am ok with some issues up to a point. For me, the tipping point is probably around 20-25%% FARMS, I can't imagine that having more that 30% FARMs kids would not significantly impact the educational experience of all students, including those higher SES students used to being around classmates (of all races and ethnicities) with more stable families.

So how do you define what is economically integrated? What is your cutoff in term of SES diversity? Are you willing to send your children to a 30 or 40% FARMs school in the name of economic diversity or to correct historic wrongs?

Ok so great posts both of you

The thing that is messed up about the greater DC area is

1. There are almost no poor white people until you go further out and

2. There is a large quantity of lower class blacks and hispanics in this area (not all obviously but since there is little to no white lower class it makes sense)

Those two factors just further stereotypes

PP

Studies show school quality starts to take a hit at 20% of tough population (At-Risk, SPED, FARMS. ESOL who are way behind)

once you hit 40% the school is going to have major issues unless you do some type of tracking

The source of this information is Fairfax County a couple years ago

[Anonymous]

Yes and no. MCPS does a very poor job in its integration attempts.

I have no issues with more URM students being brought into the school if their families are OK with a longer bus ride. I think the school should provide extra resources after and before school to help the kids who are behind catch up. I think the school system should provide summer long , full day school for low performing FARMS kids.

I would have no problem with more URM kids that can work at the same academic level being integrated into my kids classes. I have no problem with them playing outside together and having playdates.

I do have a problem when a school system like MCPS wants to lump everyone in the same classroom with one teacher despite a proficiency range spanning several years. I don't want my kids education diminished because the system has added 20% kids who are 2-3 years below grade level so now the expectations, grading and level of the curriculum is lowered so they can meet the bar. I don't want my kid just sitting in a seat learning nothing and delivering high scores for MCPS to glow in while they do nothing for him.

If integration is done in a way that catches kids with educational deficiencies up without lowering the standard for everyone else then its great. This requires effort and money from the school system. Its easier for a system to just try to hide the underperforming poor kids behind the UMC high performing kids which is classic MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is OP thinks the non white/asian will be poorer and less studious and will cause the level of classroom instruction to drop due to distractions and having to teach to a lower median ability

My post from the first thread and I still think most people worry about this


The idea that kids who go to school with lower performing peers will form an identity around being studious is interesting, but I do wonder how great the odds are that your kid falls into the wrong crowd is

I also agree that our diverse schools taught me about stereotypes. In mine, most so classes were majority white and most lower level classes were majority black

Living in DC itself can reinforce these two when you live in a place like Columbia heights where most of the people on the street looking unproductive are black too

The correlation between race and poverty//education in this area makes these discussions very tense and awkward

I am zoned for a 15% white elementary school with 60% farms so I share the same concerns.. I am planning on having my kids attend and I'm optimistic though

I also had the experience of seeing the white kids in high school in AP/Honors/gifted classes and the black kids in the normal classes. Except I was a "gifted" black kid taking classes alongside the white kids. We were completely segregated in school, even had our own hallway for our lockers, essentially our own wing of the school, and we had a somewhat separate lunch period. Its definitely made the white kids feel superior (and they certainly acted like it), but its worse for black kids who are made to feel like something is wrong with them that all the white kids in the school just are magically smarter and more valued than they are. I was treated like a unicorn, an accident, as if my smarts weren't normal, and that didn't feel good either.

But guess what? Those disgusting stereotypes can be fixed very easily: simply teach the kids about our damn history of consistently and systematically screwing over black people so that whites could benefit, which is happening up until this day. Teach them about redlining, black towns that were burned down, syphyllis testing on blacks, and then the modern stuff, how blacks were targeted by subprime mortgages, white flight, the drug epidemic in the 70s, how black books, movies, and other media wouldn't be published for ages, I can go on and on and on. Put those things in our American history and social studies curriculums, or teach them at home yourselves, and then those segregated classes could be the greatest learning experience for them.

I also think its disgusting that white people are in here discussing how another child's welfare benefits them, and if they don't see direct benefits, they aren't interested. If you were talking about fellow white children, let's say European children who were scarred by war or poverty or Appalachian kids who were displaced by earthquakes or something and ended up refugees in your town, you would feel moved to help them. And you would more easily see how "bad" kids simply being around good kids changes the former to be good, not the latter to be bad. That's why schools worked decades ago when there was ECONOMIC DIVERSITY in schools. Now, upper middle class people are consistently trying to hoard everything they possibly can and using the excuse of their own children's safety and success (you know good and well your kids will do just fine) to watch other children languish in schools where they are being isolated and marginalized among. (And much of this is just to see their home prices rise out of greed).

And worse, you all don't know the different between the poor black kid with behavioral problems and depression, or the middle class black kid who loves science, or the poor black kid who is hard working and studious, or the middle class black kid who lost both his parents in a car accident the year before and acts out. They're all brown so that's all you need to know to keep them away from your school. Its racism plain and simple.

White kids are not all universally smarter, better behaved, or without traumas and problems. Its just that when they act up, no one notices and everyone around them is there to help. They aren't going to get kicked out and their poor little neighborhood across the road isn't going to be rezoned away. But let a black child do one thing wrong, let them make mistakes like an actual child, and its "I fear for the safety of my child and don't want them around bad influences, so we need to keep them ALL away."

THIS. [phone]