Amazon's Reality Check for MD

[Anonymous]

Yes, I hope elrich takes this as a wake-up call but of course he won't

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There's only one bridge, with 4 lanes each way, between MoCo and VA. That hardly seems like a lot to connect two areas each with over 1 million population.

The ICC (MD-200) opened 7 years ago. I hear few complaints that it's overcrowded and we need to expand it.

In fact, the ICC would be part of an outer beltway and second bridge crossing. VA already has done most of their part -- it's VA-28 near Dulles. We just need less than 10 miles from that end of VA-28 to the start of 370/MD-200 to complete it. However, MoCo will staunchly oppose it because it would enter a tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve at one corner of it.

The outer beltway and second bridge crossing are transportation planning from the 1950s. It's 2018. How about some 2018 ideas?

A "tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve" -- lol.

As long as the nations capital and every national attraction is on the md side of the bridge then why should md build another bridge?

Md even owns the river.

1/2 of an Amazon field office is not prestigious.

Yep
To hear Nova folks talking, you would think that Amazon is the great savior, the second coming of Christ.
I guess anything to give them a boost, make them relevant is good.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but just wanted to add that I think you are missing the point. Who cares if 1/2 of HQ is or is not prestigious. It means 25,000 jobs, most of which will go to gainfully employed young people who can be taxed and don't use county services like schools or subsidized housing. How many restaurants that fail in less than a year have to open up on Rockville Pike to make 25,000 jobs? And those are minimum wage jobs.

Right the young people are never going to have kids..you really have this figured out.

[Anonymous]

There is nothing inspiring about Maryland. To me, Maryland means traffic, especially around the Rockville, Bethesda, 270 495/270 junction. Of course no company wants to setup in White Flint. There is zero appeal to anywhere near there. That traffic is just killer. Where in VA, you at least have a few different jobs to get around.

Crystal City is appealing for its proximity to DC, its awesome views, and when you are there you are humbled by being next to the Pentagon and within sight of the monuments and Capitol.

Tysons is appealing because it's becoming a bustling, super dense metropolis on its own that represents the future. And it's a central location to a lot of things in any direction.

Maryland. Come on. There are no locations like this in Maryland except for possibly National Harbor, but that only has so much land.

Maryland needs to face facts that it's only future will be medical stuff associated with NIH and NSA stuff. It's hard to explain, but there is something just off about Maryland. The way it was planned out was not thought out well. Too much residential and not enough business districts. Not enough roads to get around.

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There's only one bridge, with 4 lanes each way, between MoCo and VA. That hardly seems like a lot to connect two areas each with over 1 million population.

The ICC (MD-200) opened 7 years ago. I hear few complaints that it's overcrowded and we need to expand it.

In fact, the ICC would be part of an outer beltway and second bridge crossing. VA already has done most of their part -- it's VA-28 near Dulles. We just need less than 10 miles from that end of VA-28 to the start of 370/MD-200 to complete it. However, MoCo will staunchly oppose it because it would enter a tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve at one corner of it.

The outer beltway and second bridge crossing are transportation planning from the 1950s. It's 2018. How about some 2018 ideas?

A "tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve" -- lol.

As long as the nations capital and every national attraction is on the md side of the bridge then why should md build another bridge?

Md even owns the river.

1/2 of an Amazon field office is not prestigious.

Yep
To hear Nova folks talking, you would think that Amazon is the great savior, the second coming of Christ.
I guess anything to give them a boost, make them relevant is good.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but just wanted to add that I think you are missing the point. Who cares if 1/2 of HQ is or is not prestigious. It means 25,000 jobs, most of which will go to gainfully employed young people who can be taxed and don't use county services like schools or subsidized housing. How many restaurants that fail in less than a year have to open up on Rockville Pike to make 25,000 jobs? And those are minimum wage jobs.

Right the young people are never going to have kids..you really have this figured out.

At the rate Amazon chews and spits out their employees, the majority will probably will not settle here long term. When they get to the baby-making stage, they will probably take what's vested of their RSUs and relocate to a lower cost area. The ones that do stay here will probably be so leaned-in that they'll have at most one kid.

[Anonymous]

Tyson sucks. I hate it. I try to avoid it at all costs.

-Signed a former Bay Area resident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing inspiring about Maryland. To me, Maryland means traffic, especially around the Rockville, Bethesda, 270 495/270 junction. Of course no company wants to setup in White Flint. There is zero appeal to anywhere near there. That traffic is just killer. Where in VA, you at least have a few different jobs to get around.

Crystal City is appealing for its proximity to DC, its awesome views, and when you are there you are humbled by being next to the Pentagon and within sight of the monuments and Capitol.

Tysons is appealing because it's becoming a bustling, super dense metropolis on its own that represents the future. And it's a central location to a lot of things in any direction.

Maryland. Come on. There are no locations like this in Maryland except for possibly National Harbor, but that only has so much land.

Maryland needs to face facts that it's only future will be medical stuff associated with NIH and NSA stuff. It's hard to explain, but there is something just off about Maryland. The way it was planned out was not thought out well. Too much residential and not enough business districts. Not enough roads to get around.

You are too clueless

[Anonymous]

So now it's 1/2 of a field office? Not a headquarters or even a whole second hq that everybody bid on. It's 1/2 of what everybody thought it was being bid on and even less than that because even both the Ny and Crystal city together are not a equal 2nd headquarters at all. Guaranteed the whole thing will even be scaled back from its already watered down reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the wake of losing HQ2, Maryland officials need to have a "come to Jesus" moment. Yes, you can spit it as a win for the whole region - but that's really not very productive. The state and MoCo need to take a very hard look at where we came up short, and address those issues head-on. The Amazon ship has sailed, but Apple is also exploring a second, smaller headquarters - and it looks like Montgomery County isn't even in the conversation:

https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2018/11/13/apple-eyes-fairfax-county-as-arlington-lands-amazon/

There is an economic gap forming between VA and MD, and it could grow that much wider over the next 10-20 years. I think Gov Hogan will ask the hard questions that need to be asked. I'm not as confident that other MD leaders will heed the call.

come on. Look at Bethesda. little tel aviv. who can live there?

[Anonymous]

DC is embedded in Md. Every national attraction / major entertainment venue and major league team is on the Md side of the river. The river itself is owned by Md. Va has to cross a bridge to get to anything worthwhile. Md is the richest state in the country.

1/2 of a field office and an area with a 3rd world craphole name like Amazonia is not prestigious. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

There's only one bridge, with 4 lanes each way, between MoCo and VA. That hardly seems like a lot to connect two areas each with over 1 million population.

The ICC (MD-200) opened 7 years ago. I hear few complaints that it's overcrowded and we need to expand it.

In fact, the ICC would be part of an outer beltway and second bridge crossing. VA already has done most of their part -- it's VA-28 near Dulles. We just need less than 10 miles from that end of VA-28 to the start of 370/MD-200 to complete it. However, MoCo will staunchly oppose it because it would enter a tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve at one corner of it.

The outer beltway and second bridge crossing are transportation planning from the 1950s. It's 2018. How about some 2018 ideas?

A "tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve" -- lol.

As long as the nations capital and every national attraction is on the md side of the bridge then why should md build another bridge?

Md even owns the river.

1/2 of an Amazon field office is not prestigious.

Yep
To hear Nova folks talking, you would think that Amazon is the great savior, the second coming of Christ.
I guess anything to give them a boost, make them relevant is good.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but just wanted to add that I think you are missing the point. Who cares if 1/2 of HQ is or is not prestigious. It means 25,000 jobs, most of which will go to gainfully employed young people who can be taxed and don't use county services like schools or subsidized housing. How many restaurants that fail in less than a year have to open up on Rockville Pike to make 25,000 jobs? And those are minimum wage jobs.

Right the young people are never going to have kids..you really have this figured out.

At the rate Amazon chews and spits out their employees, the majority will probably will not settle here long term. When they get to the baby-making stage, they will probably take what's vested of their RSUs and relocate to a lower cost area. The ones that do stay here will probably be so leaned-in that they'll have at most one kid.

a lot of truth.

Liberals favorite company.

Median tenure at Amazon is just one year

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinessdevelopmentcouncil/2018/06/29/the-real-problem-with-tech-professionals-high-turnover/


Amazon Chief Executive Jeff Bezos received $1,681,840 in compensation in 2017, the proxy statement said, $1.6 million of which represents the cost of providing his security. Bezos — who owns 16 percent of the company’s shares, a stake that makes him the world’s richest man with a net worth of $127 billion, according to Bloomberg — received the other $81,840 as salary. The pay disclosure was mandated by the federal Wall Street reform bill passed after the 2008 financial crisis. Its aim is to allow a comparison of the top executive’s pay to rank-and-file pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s montgomery county VOTERS who need to have the ‘come to Jesus’ moment. We are absolute idiots and vote in people that just spend spend spend and who have created a huge welfare state in ourcounty and just tax residents to pay for it.

Baltimore, afterall , has a huge new amazon warehouse so it’s not like Maryland has a problem it’s moco.

Agree. Stop the bleed

[Anonymous]

Now all that money MOCO saved can go into improving schools and solving traffic issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the wake of losing HQ2, Maryland officials need to have a "come to Jesus" moment. Yes, you can spit it as a win for the whole region - but that's really not very productive. The state and MoCo need to take a very hard look at where we came up short, and address those issues head-on. The Amazon ship has sailed, but Apple is also exploring a second, smaller headquarters - and it looks like Montgomery County isn't even in the conversation:

https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2018/11/13/apple-eyes-fairfax-county-as-arlington-lands-amazon/

There is an economic gap forming between VA and MD, and it could grow that much wider over the next 10-20 years. I think Gov Hogan will ask the hard questions that need to be asked. I'm not as confident that other MD leaders will heed the call.

come on. Look at Bethesda. little tel aviv. who can live there?

What is this shit?

Besides, I LOVE Tel Aviv and I'm not even Jewish. Amazing food, beaches, great weather, fabulous gay scene. What more do you need?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

There's only one bridge, with 4 lanes each way, between MoCo and VA. That hardly seems like a lot to connect two areas each with over 1 million population.

The ICC (MD-200) opened 7 years ago. I hear few complaints that it's overcrowded and we need to expand it.

In fact, the ICC would be part of an outer beltway and second bridge crossing. VA already has done most of their part -- it's VA-28 near Dulles. We just need less than 10 miles from that end of VA-28 to the start of 370/MD-200 to complete it. However, MoCo will staunchly oppose it because it would enter a tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve at one corner of it.

The outer beltway and second bridge crossing are transportation planning from the 1950s. It's 2018. How about some 2018 ideas?

A "tiny sliver of the Agricultural Reserve" -- lol.

As long as the nations capital and every national attraction is on the md side of the bridge then why should md build another bridge?

Md even owns the river.

1/2 of an Amazon field office is not prestigious.

Yep
To hear Nova folks talking, you would think that Amazon is the great savior, the second coming of Christ.
I guess anything to give them a boost, make them relevant is good.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but just wanted to add that I think you are missing the point. Who cares if 1/2 of HQ is or is not prestigious. It means 25,000 jobs, most of which will go to gainfully employed young people who can be taxed and don't use county services like schools or subsidized housing. How many restaurants that fail in less than a year have to open up on Rockville Pike to make 25,000 jobs? And those are minimum wage jobs.

The 25,000 Amazon employees will not all live and pay taxes in VA. Many will live in MD and DC.
It is estimated that at least 2/3 will live outside VA.

[Anonymous]

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The 25,000 Amazon employees will not all live and pay taxes in VA. Many will live in MD and DC.
It is estimated that at least 2/3 will live outside VA.

Where are they getting this estimate from? I would think it's the other way around -- 2/3 in VA.