TPMS MAP-M scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the range OP is sharing does not support an argument that this class is strong or stronger.

Here's the deal -what you want to see is the range and numerical distribution across the range for the OOB students. TPMS along with all other magnets keeps 25 seats set aside for in boundary students. The reason these are seats are set aside is because there wouldn't be 25 students scoring at the top or within the acceptance range if the bar wasn't set for lower for them. Most of these students would cluster toward the bottom of the distribution -this happens at all magnets. It could be a true statement that score ranges haven't changed but what has changed is that the number of students clustering toward the bottom range is no longer just the set aside in boundary students but more of the OOB students with the highest scoring students left back at their home schools.

Why not include in boundary? My kids were both in boundary and scored very well. I'm the poster who said 250 is not high for TPMS. Many in boundary are among the brightest there. My oldest is at Blair magnet on hardest math track. Other in boundary kids I know are at Blair magnet and came from HGC. Several in boundary kids from TPMS just got named nmsf (they're older now of course). Don't assume the bar is set lower.

[Anonymous]

Why not include in boundary? My kids were both in boundary and scored very well. I'm the poster who said 250 is not high for TPMS. Many in boundary are among the brightest there. My oldest is at Blair magnet on hardest math track. Other in boundary kids I know are at Blair magnet and came from HGC. Several in boundary kids from TPMS just got named nmsf (they're older now of course). Don't assume the bar is set lower.

While there may be some in-boundary students who score as well as the out of boundary students, there just are not 25 of them. If there were there would be no need for the special set aside seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the range OP is sharing does not support an argument that this class is strong or stronger.

Here's the deal -what you want to see is the range and numerical distribution across the range for the OOB students. TPMS along with all other magnets keeps 25 seats set aside for in boundary students. The reason these are seats are set aside is because there wouldn't be 25 students scoring at the top or within the acceptance range if the bar wasn't set for lower for them. Most of these students would cluster toward the bottom of the distribution -this happens at all magnets. It could be a true statement that score ranges haven't changed but what has changed is that the number of students clustering toward the bottom range is no longer just the set aside in boundary students but more of the OOB students with the highest scoring students left back at their home schools.

Hmmmm, are you sure about that reasoning for the Takoma set aside? There are, what, 150 students accepted to the magnet and 20 or so feeder middle schools? So that works out to 7.5 per school in theory. It makes no sense to say the set aside is to make sure enough local kids get in, when no middle would in theory have anywhere close to 25. I guarantee you that there are 7-8 qualified kids in the feeder zone. By your logic, maybe the set aside is because there are so many more smart kids in that area! Come to think of it I know many smart as heck scientists, professors, etc. who live in that area. LoL.

[Anonymous]

In-boundary and parent of TPMS magnet kid. YES, there are that many smart kids in boundary. I know very few parents here who don't have an advanced degree, travel the world and/or speak second and third languages. (I am not one of them, but somehow DC still make it in!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why not include in boundary? My kids were both in boundary and scored very well. I'm the poster who said 250 is not high for TPMS. Many in boundary are among the brightest there. My oldest is at Blair magnet on hardest math track. Other in boundary kids I know are at Blair magnet and came from HGC. Several in boundary kids from TPMS just got named nmsf (they're older now of course). Don't assume the bar is set lower.

While there may be some in-boundary students who score as well as the out of boundary students, there just are not 25 of them. If there were there would be no need for the special set aside seats.

Sure there are and sure there would -- because there are way more qualified kids then seats all around. It may be more of a crap shoot now than it was in the past, but there is always a roulette element. Do you take the kid w/ better test scores or better recs? Higher on Raven or on Quant Comp? (You can tell I'm from the old crop). The in boundary kids are very competitive, not just "some." I don't know any who can't go toe to toe with out of boundary. I teach in the area and know a lot of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In-boundary and parent of TPMS magnet kid. YES, there are that many smart kids in boundary. I know very few parents here who don't have an advanced degree, travel the world and/or speak second and third languages. (I am not one of them, but somehow DC still make it in!)

Awesome! Gotta love the ignorance of OOB parents who assume in boundary kids somehow lag behind. All the ones I know came from magnets in Elem and went to magnets in HS where they weren't in boundary. Hardly lagging behind!

[Anonymous]

Funny part about this discussion is we bought in boundary for this very reason. It’s like buying into a W feeder except the quality of education is better. In fact, I get a laugh every time some smug W parent goes on about how they valuue their child’s education more than DCC parents

[Anonymous]

The DCC-W School sparring is tiresome and not productive.

Of course there are parents across the entire county that value education.

What good does all this trading insults serve?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny part about this discussion is we bought in boundary for this very reason. It’s like buying into a W feeder except the quality of education is better. In fact, I get a laugh every time some smug W parent goes on about how they valuue their child’s education more than DCC parents

Awesome!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know, some kids/parents lie about their scores. I personally know a child who told my child she got into CES who I know from the parent was wait-listed (and I did not tell either my child or the other parent about the discrepancy). Some of this obsessiveness and “260 is the norm” is based on utter BS

Ha yes. Even potential spouses have been known to up their SAT scores!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, some kids/parents lie about their scores. I personally know a child who told my child she got into CES who I know from the parent was wait-listed (and I did not tell either my child or the other parent about the discrepancy). Some of this obsessiveness and “260 is the norm” is based on utter BS

So right, a couple of years ago, a few classmates and respective parents- W feeder- told my DC after HS magnet results were announced that they either got in RM or Blair or both. My DC was waitlisted for Blair and was quite surprised that so many got in either program. Guess what none of those actually made it in to the program but later it was the commute and long bus ride excuse. The Home middle school office mentioned in the passing that only three were selected and accepted. So that means rest were either not selected or were waitlisted like us. I wonder why lie ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, some kids/parents lie about their scores. I personally know a child who told my child she got into CES who I know from the parent was wait-listed (and I did not tell either my child or the other parent about the discrepancy). Some of this obsessiveness and “260 is the norm” is based on utter BS

So right, a couple of years ago, a few classmates and respective parents- W feeder- told my DC after HS magnet results were announced that they either got in RM or Blair or both. My DC was waitlisted for Blair and was quite surprised that so many got in either program. Guess what none of those actually made it in to the program but later it was the commute and long bus ride excuse. The Home middle school office mentioned in the passing that only three were selected and accepted. So that means rest were either not selected or were waitlisted like us. I wonder why lie ?

That's a rhetorical question, right? They lied because they wanted to make themselves look better in comparison to you and your kid. Look, how smart I am! Insecurity, plain and simple. In experience, typical of many first-generation stiver parents who 'value education'.

[Anonymous]

People lie and/or exaggerate. The median map r scores for Eastern magnet historically has been 234/235, which is the 94th percentile for Spring 5th grade. My child's compacted math 5/6 teacher left the fall 2017 map scores on her desk while conducting parent teacher meetings. I admit that I looked out of curiosity and noted that only a few kids scored over 260 on MAP M. Most of the kids were in the 230s to 250s. This was at one of the schools mentioned often on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People lie and/or exaggerate. The median map r scores for Eastern magnet historically has been 234/235, which is the 94th percentile for Spring 5th grade. My child's compacted math 5/6 teacher left the fall 2017 map scores on her desk while conducting parent teacher meetings. I admit that I looked out of curiosity and noted that only a few kids scored over 260 on MAP M. Most of the kids were in the 230s to 250s. This was at one of the schools mentioned often on this board.

Were these 260+ selected to TP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, some kids/parents lie about their scores. I personally know a child who told my child she got into CES who I know from the parent was wait-listed (and I did not tell either my child or the other parent about the discrepancy). Some of this obsessiveness and “260 is the norm” is based on utter BS

So right, a couple of years ago, a few classmates and respective parents- W feeder- told my DC after HS magnet results were announced that they either got in RM or Blair or both. My DC was waitlisted for Blair and was quite surprised that so many got in either program. Guess what none of those actually made it in to the program but later it was the commute and long bus ride excuse. The Home middle school office mentioned in the passing that only three were selected and accepted. So that means rest were either not selected or were waitlisted like us. I wonder why lie ?

They probably didn't lie. They were selected but didn't accept all the spots. A lot of kids get admitted to multiple programs. My kid got into 5 HS programs. She worked really hard on apps and did pretty well on test. She is also a girl, & 3 programs were SMACS related, so that may be a factor too. Look, it's a fine line about these things -- waitlisted kids are as competent as selected.
Regarding the 260+ norm at TPMS, it really is. My kids both went through TPMS -- they had some high MAPs and not so high. It is what it is, but 250 isn't proof of a great class in test terms. And, I for one, think we need to look beyond tests and include teacher recs and students essays or work or something. It can't always be about tests. Sometimes my kids did phenomenally on tests, sometimes not so well, but they wrote (worked and revised over weeks) great essays and had great recs, and I think that sealed the deal for them. I hope they don't take all that data away from HS admissions.