DC United's New Youth Plan

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At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

That's how pretty much every academy ever is. They bring in as many kids as possible, a few rise to the top, the rest are expendable.
If you don't like that, you should stay away from academies.

Yes, but at most academies they actually invest in training the players while they have them.

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At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

That's how pretty much every academy ever is. They bring in as many kids as possible, a few rise to the top, the rest are expendable.
If you don't like that, you should stay away from academies.

Yes, but at most academies they actually invest in training the players while they have them.

I'm not even sure most clubs do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

LOL! Kids are not treasured in European academies. Did you not watch the Football Slave Trade Video posted here this week?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

Read the old NYTimes article about Ajax. Most kids are kicked out each year for new talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

Read the old NYTimes article about Ajax. Most kids are kicked out each year for new talent.

There is no need to exaggerate. They don't kick out most kids each year. It is extremely difficult to make Ajax program. They may have one or two spots per age group that may open in any particular year, because the competition for each spot is so fierce. But the club values each player and creates conditions for them to succeed. There is nothing wrong if a player, who is on the bubble, is cut because of the competition. As I said, the competition is brutal, but the club values players and creates an environment of high pressure, where excellence is expected. They don't cancel practices to hold tryouts for other players. No do they charge a fee for training. Each player is an investment. Not every investment pans out, but those that do fund the academy for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

Read the old NYTimes article about Ajax. Most kids are kicked out each year for new talent.

There is no need to exaggerate. They don't kick out most kids each year. It is extremely difficult to make Ajax program. They may have one or two spots per age group that may open in any particular year, because the competition for each spot is so fierce. But the club values each player and creates conditions for them to succeed. There is nothing wrong if a player, who is on the bubble, is cut because of the competition. As I said, the competition is brutal, but the club values players and creates an environment of high pressure, where excellence is expected. They don't cancel practices to hold tryouts for other players. No do they charge a fee for training. Each player is an investment. Not every investment pans out, but those that do fund the academy for many years.

For any given age group it is more likely that only 2-3 players actually make it through Ajax who started at a young age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

Read the old NYTimes article about Ajax. Most kids are kicked out each year for new talent.

There is no need to exaggerate. They don't kick out most kids each year. It is extremely difficult to make Ajax program. They may have one or two spots per age group that may open in any particular year, because the competition for each spot is so fierce. But the club values each player and creates conditions for them to succeed. There is nothing wrong if a player, who is on the bubble, is cut because of the competition. As I said, the competition is brutal, but the club values players and creates an environment of high pressure, where excellence is expected. They don't cancel practices to hold tryouts for other players. No do they charge a fee for training. Each player is an investment. Not every investment pans out, but those that do fund the academy for many years.

For any given age group it is more likely that only 2-3 players actually make it through Ajax who started at a young age.

I don't disagree that over a period of 10 or so years only a handful would make it to the first team, but the PP suggested that they cut most of the team in one year and restart all over. Also, getting cut from Ajax academy does not mean that your playing days are over. The players usually end up playing for other academies and some of them make as pros. It's the nature of a pro level demands. In reality very few players make it, but clubs do all they can to help them to succeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Well, they cancelled the training sessions for their regular academy teams tonight so they could run a P2P ID session instead, so I guess they are serious about this.

Yes, you read that right. "Sorry guys, you can't practice tonight. We are holding a tryout for players trying to replace you instead."

This is one positive I see from the program. It helps ensure that players already in the system at DCU will not get complacent given the regular reminder that their spots are at risk if they don't keep working. It gives the players who participate more motivation to work hard and try shine at the sessions, and it gives the players who weren't called up for their sessions an incentive to work hard to try to make it the next time. If DCU keeps on this path and expands the base of participating clubs, it could actually cause some good changes down the road.

That being said, they shouldn't CANCEL a practice. That's harming the development of the players they are trying to keep anxious about holding their spot.

I don't think DCU really cares about the development of their players prior to U15. Their U13s & U14s are the only DAs that only practice 3x week. Everyone else does 4. They don't even get started until mid-August, and I heard from an 05 parent last weekend that they've mostly had only 2 practices per week this season, because of cancellations including the P2P sessions but also for other reasons. It seems like their plan is just to get the top talent in by U15, regardless of where they came from. That's when they get serious. The U15s do go 4X/week, and also pay a lot less. At the younger ages, there are a few players they care about (the ones invited to the P2P sessions), but the rest are pretty much expendable, and they know it.

And that's the difference between DCU and real academies in Europe, which treasure and nurture talent from the youngest age groups. Each player is viewed as an investment by the club and the club does everything to enable each player to succeed. Of course, the competition is brutal and much more intense than anything here; most player don't make it to the first team. But the club does everything to help players to succeed and does not view its younger age groups as a throw away. I don't see Ajax academy or Dortmund, for example, cancelling an academy practice so that coaches can take a closer look at players from another club.

Read the old NYTimes article about Ajax. Most kids are kicked out each year for new talent.

There is no need to exaggerate. They don't kick out most kids each year. It is extremely difficult to make Ajax program. They may have one or two spots per age group that may open in any particular year, because the competition for each spot is so fierce. But the club values each player and creates conditions for them to succeed. There is nothing wrong if a player, who is on the bubble, is cut because of the competition. As I said, the competition is brutal, but the club values players and creates an environment of high pressure, where excellence is expected. They don't cancel practices to hold tryouts for other players. No do they charge a fee for training. Each player is an investment. Not every investment pans out, but those that do fund the academy for many years.

For any given age group it is more likely that only 2-3 players actually make it through Ajax who started at a young age.

I don't disagree that over a period of 10 or so years only a handful would make it to the first team, but the PP suggested that they cut most of the team in one year and restart all over. Also, getting cut from Ajax academy does not mean that your playing days are over. The players usually end up playing for other academies and some of them make as pros. It's the nature of a pro level demands. In reality very few players make it, but clubs do all they can to help them to succeed.

If an original cohort is 20 kids and only 2-3 make it through the entirety I would say that is most kids who get cut.

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Here's the breakdown of Ajax academy recent graduates with at least 3 years in the academy in the Dutch league and top 5 European leagues: Eredivisie (33 players), La Liga (0), Premier league (6), Serie A (3), Bundesliga (2), Ligue 1 (1). A total number of players in the Domestic league and top 5 leagues is 45 players. This list does not include players that play in lower divisions of Dutch soccer and in non-top 5 European leagues or leagues outside of Europe. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/93ek52/oc_ajax_academy_graduates_where_will_they_be/

[Anonymous]

So one of the two best youth academies in the world is better than DC United's academy?
Stop the presses!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So one of the two best youth academies in the world is better than DC United's academy?
Stop the presses!

You don't have to limit yourself to Ajax, look at European small clubs such Utrecht, AZ, Atl. Bilbao, look at academies in Belgium or Croatia. They are better than any MLS academy (including DCU) and consistently produce tons of talent. Those clubs are not flush with money, but they have a strong track record of player development.

[Anonymous]

You did not read the Ajax article at all if you continue to use words like "Care" and "nurture" in association with a European professional soccer academy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You did not read the Ajax article at all if you continue to use words like "Care" and "nurture" in association with a European professional soccer academy.

Not to rain on your parade, but I read the article when it came out and unlike you I observed several European academies of clubs that play in top divisions in different countries and talked to coaches about how they develop players. The approaches differ, but each academy player is an investment and they care about their investment. You mistakenly equate "care" and "nurture" with being soft. Here's the dictionary definition for Nurture="1.care for and encourage the growth or development of" and Care "1.feel concern or interest; attach importance to something." Both terms apply to European academies as they "care for and encourage the growth and development of" their players and "feel concern or interest and attach importance" to developing them into professionals. The players at Ajax and other academies have to fight for their spots, dah! The club will make a new investment if someone is not up to the standard. However, the clubs do everything to help their youth players to succeed by providing top notch training, education/tutoring, minivans that pick up the kids from classes, equipment, transportation to and from tournaments, free nutrition, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You did not read the Ajax article at all if you continue to use words like "Care" and "nurture" in association with a European professional soccer academy.

Not to rain on your parade, but I read the article when it came out and unlike you I observed several European academies of clubs that play in top divisions in different countries and talked to coaches about how they develop players. The approaches differ, but each academy player is an investment and they care about their investment. You mistakenly equate "care" and "nurture" with being soft. Here's the dictionary definition for Nurture="1.care for and encourage the growth or development of" and Care "1.feel concern or interest; attach importance to something." Both terms apply to European academies as they "care for and encourage the growth and development of" their players and "feel concern or interest and attach importance" to developing them into professionals. The players at Ajax and other academies have to fight for their spots, dah! The club will make a new investment if someone is not up to the standard. However, the clubs do everything to help their youth players to succeed by providing top notch training, education/tutoring, minivans that pick up the kids from classes, equipment, transportation to and from tournaments, free nutrition, etc.

No, they view the players development in terms of the bottom line. Perhaps a few clubs like Barcelona or share your view but certainly not Ajax. Ajax is only interested in developing marketable players off, it is their business, not their passion.