the Key/ASFS building switch...

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

There are 40 walkers to key. Period. Only 10 of those are Hispanic. Everyone else is bussed and would have a 0.5 mile longer bus ride

This. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. There will be TEN Hispanic kids who won't be able to walk to an immersion school because of this decision. They will instead have to ride a bus. Those who can't walk now will have to ride .5 mile further to continue in Immersion, or can opt to attend their (closer) neighborhood school instead. And this move puts Immersion slightly closer to Buckingham. If you were concerned that the Hispanic community is losing access to Immersion, then you should be arguing to move the program closer to Buckingham, because they don't live in Clarendon or Rosslyn any more.

We are a walker family to Key and 40 sounds way too low. We sure see a lot more then that.

I’d trust aps staff to know who is and isn’t eligible for bus service over your anecdote.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

Why aren’t you advocating for a move to Carlin Springs? That would truly help the Hispanic community.

Smoke screen idea for rich N Arl whites, bro.

How does staying at Key help the Hispanic community more than another location closer to native speakers?

ASFS is closer to native speakers?

Let’s say it is via Buckingham. Is that better/worse for the Hispanic community than the Key location?

Or if it isn’t, why not move immersion closer to native speakers? Is that the best thing?

Do none of you know anything about immersion? It is not supposed to be all native speakers. Ideally, it should be half and half.

Ok. And? You want it close to where you live?

Why are your needs greater than the Hispanic community? Plenty of non-native speakers to fill the seats.

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Anonymous wrote:I only skimmed it, but my initial reaction is that if you support the swap, I don't think there's much in there that's a surprise. If you are against the swap, I don't think there's anything in there that will convince you otherwise.

There should be for those who are listening to the Key folks who are trying to use their (small) Latino/ED families who currently walk to Key as justification for not moving. The convenience they seek is for THEM, the wealthy non-Latino families who want to be close to their current school and/or Metro. Moving Immersion to ASFS will not make it any less inaccessible for the majority of Latino/ED families who live in Arlington, because those families don't live along the Orange Line anyway. And yes, not swapping would result in yet another very wealthy, very white neighborhood school at ASFS. By swapping, they can get two somewhat diverse schools: one that is ethnically/linguistically/economically diverse by design, and one that is diverse because it pulls from a neighborhood that is itself more diverse than most of North Arlington (with the exception of Buckingham).

Blah, blah, blah. This benefits the rich Lyon Vilage people who want a walkable non immersion school. Live right, vote left.

Which solution provides the greatest diversity?

I don't think there is a good way to answer this. Your question assumes there was an alternative- and there really wasn't.
If you were to draw a boundary around ASFS that includes its walk zone, and maintains contiguity, it would be mostly planning units currently zoned to Ashlawn and Taylor, and would have virtually no FARMS. Not any worse than Jamestown/Tuckahoe, etc- but not diverse at all.
But is was never clear if you did this where the higher FARMS units in eastern Rosslyn were going. If you sent them all to Taylor- you would have needed to draw a long snaky boundary for Taylor to come up and grab them- which would add some diversity to Taylor but take it away from ASFS. You are also putting them in a fairly inaccessible transportation situation a good ways from home. It's nearly 4 miles by car from River Place apartments to Taylor for example.

So what's the best solution in general?

NP - but I think it’s Immersion to Carlin Springs to break up the poverty and open up neighborhood seats at both ASFS and Key. If someone was really concerned about high poverty native Spanish speakers I don’t see why they wouldn’t support this.

I support moving immersion to a high poverty school like carlin springs. I do find it a bit ironic that before that happens, we are moving an option school from a high poverty area (montesorri in Nauck) to a wealthier one, the result of which will be to create a high poverty school at Drew and make Fleet less diverse than Henry was. Just saying.

[Anonymous]

If your argument is that successful immersion needs to be located where the Hispanic population lives, and you think that’s not Key, why would you support a move to the even less Hispanic ASFS location?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

There are 40 walkers to key. Period. Only 10 of those are Hispanic. Everyone else is bussed and would have a 0.5 mile longer bus ride

This. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. There will be TEN Hispanic kids who won't be able to walk to an immersion school because of this decision. They will instead have to ride a bus. Those who can't walk now will have to ride .5 mile further to continue in Immersion, or can opt to attend their (closer) neighborhood school instead. And this move puts Immersion slightly closer to Buckingham. If you were concerned that the Hispanic community is losing access to Immersion, then you should be arguing to move the program closer to Buckingham, because they don't live in Clarendon or Rosslyn any more.

We are a walker family to Key and 40 sounds way too low. We sure see a lot more then that.

I’d trust aps staff to know who is and isn’t eligible for bus service over your anecdote.

Also if your main justification for keeping the program at the current location is that you walk, how is that not actually saying it needs to be a neighborhood school so your neighbors can do the same? You don’t need to move with it, you know.

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why would anyone ever want to be a superintendent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your argument is that successful immersion needs to be located where the Hispanic population lives, and you think that’s not Key, why would you support a move to the even less Hispanic ASFS location?

At least two objectives here:
- optimally locating neighborhood schools = Key location + maybe ASFS location
- optimally locating immersion = near Hispanic community?

Swapping schools meets one objective. I’d say that the staff still needs to consider the second objective. Given that neighborhood schools are more important than option schools I can see why they want to address that first.

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Anonymous wrote:I only skimmed it, but my initial reaction is that if you support the swap, I don't think there's much in there that's a surprise. If you are against the swap, I don't think there's anything in there that will convince you otherwise.

There should be for those who are listening to the Key folks who are trying to use their (small) Latino/ED families who currently walk to Key as justification for not moving. The convenience they seek is for THEM, the wealthy non-Latino families who want to be close to their current school and/or Metro. Moving Immersion to ASFS will not make it any less inaccessible for the majority of Latino/ED families who live in Arlington, because those families don't live along the Orange Line anyway. And yes, not swapping would result in yet another very wealthy, very white neighborhood school at ASFS. By swapping, they can get two somewhat diverse schools: one that is ethnically/linguistically/economically diverse by design, and one that is diverse because it pulls from a neighborhood that is itself more diverse than most of North Arlington (with the exception of Buckingham).

Blah, blah, blah. This benefits the rich Lyon Vilage people who want a walkable non immersion school. Live right, vote left.

Which solution provides the greatest diversity?

I don't think there is a good way to answer this. Your question assumes there was an alternative- and there really wasn't.
If you were to draw a boundary around ASFS that includes its walk zone, and maintains contiguity, it would be mostly planning units currently zoned to Ashlawn and Taylor, and would have virtually no FARMS. Not any worse than Jamestown/Tuckahoe, etc- but not diverse at all.
But is was never clear if you did this where the higher FARMS units in eastern Rosslyn were going. If you sent them all to Taylor- you would have needed to draw a long snaky boundary for Taylor to come up and grab them- which would add some diversity to Taylor but take it away from ASFS. You are also putting them in a fairly inaccessible transportation situation a good ways from home. It's nearly 4 miles by car from River Place apartments to Taylor for example.

So what's the best solution in general?

NP - but I think it’s Immersion to Carlin Springs to break up the poverty and open up neighborhood seats at both ASFS and Key. If someone was really concerned about high poverty native Spanish speakers I don’t see why they wouldn’t support this.

I support moving immersion to a high poverty school like carlin springs. I do find it a bit ironic that before that happens, we are moving an option school from a high poverty area (montesorri in Nauck) to a wealthier one, the result of which will be to create a high poverty school at Drew and make Fleet less diverse than Henry was. Just saying.

Nauck wanted a neighborhood school. They may be poor, but they still want their own place

[Anonymous]

“Also if your main justification for keeping the program at the current location is that you walk, how is that not actually saying it needs to be a neighborhood school so your neighbors can do the same? You don’t need to move with it, you know.”

I don’t walk, so I’m guessing we’re not neighbors, thank the sweet baby Jesus. I’m thinking about the health of the program, not my personal convenience. I’ll go with it wherever it goes, even if that means to your shitty school, which we will turn into a warm, loving, fun, loud place, as we do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Also if your main justification for keeping the program at the current location is that you walk, how is that not actually saying it needs to be a neighborhood school so your neighbors can do the same? You don’t need to move with it, you know.”

I don’t walk, so I’m guessing we’re not neighbors, thank the sweet baby Jesus. I’m thinking about the health of the program, not my personal convenience. I’ll go with it wherever it goes, even if that means to your shitty school, which we will turn into a warm, loving, fun, loud place, as we do.

Key parent to ASFS parent: ‘hold my beer’

I wonder if this Key-hole is actually some troll, no Key parent I know acts like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Also if your main justification for keeping the program at the current location is that you walk, how is that not actually saying it needs to be a neighborhood school so your neighbors can do the same? You don’t need to move with it, you know.”

I don’t walk, so I’m guessing we’re not neighbors, thank the sweet baby Jesus. I’m thinking about the health of the program, not my personal convenience. I’ll go with it wherever it goes, even if that means to your shitty school, which we will turn into a warm, loving, fun, loud place, as we do.

I really don’t understand why the program won’t function in whatever school it’s given? Odds are 2021 it’s going to an Upper Bailey type office location.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

There are 40 walkers to key. Period. Only 10 of those are Hispanic. Everyone else is bussed and would have a 0.5 mile longer bus ride

This. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. There will be TEN Hispanic kids who won't be able to walk to an immersion school because of this decision. They will instead have to ride a bus. Those who can't walk now will have to ride .5 mile further to continue in Immersion, or can opt to attend their (closer) neighborhood school instead. And this move puts Immersion slightly closer to Buckingham. If you were concerned that the Hispanic community is losing access to Immersion, then you should be arguing to move the program closer to Buckingham, because they don't live in Clarendon or Rosslyn any more.

We are a walker family to Key and 40 sounds way too low. We sure see a lot more then that.

I’d trust aps staff to know who is and isn’t eligible for bus service over your anecdote.

A lot of yapping and ass kissing of “the staff” here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

There are 40 walkers to key. Period. Only 10 of those are Hispanic. Everyone else is bussed and would have a 0.5 mile longer bus ride

This. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. There will be TEN Hispanic kids who won't be able to walk to an immersion school because of this decision. They will instead have to ride a bus. Those who can't walk now will have to ride .5 mile further to continue in Immersion, or can opt to attend their (closer) neighborhood school instead. And this move puts Immersion slightly closer to Buckingham. If you were concerned that the Hispanic community is losing access to Immersion, then you should be arguing to move the program closer to Buckingham, because they don't live in Clarendon or Rosslyn any more.

We are a walker family to Key and 40 sounds way too low. We sure see a lot more then that.

I’d trust aps staff to know who is and isn’t eligible for bus service over your anecdote.

A lot of yapping and ass kissing of “the staff” here.

Wow, Key-hole is doubling down

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, he put his foot down on our Hispanic community.

There are 40 walkers to key. Period. Only 10 of those are Hispanic. Everyone else is bussed and would have a 0.5 mile longer bus ride

This. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. There will be TEN Hispanic kids who won't be able to walk to an immersion school because of this decision. They will instead have to ride a bus. Those who can't walk now will have to ride .5 mile further to continue in Immersion, or can opt to attend their (closer) neighborhood school instead. And this move puts Immersion slightly closer to Buckingham. If you were concerned that the Hispanic community is losing access to Immersion, then you should be arguing to move the program closer to Buckingham, because they don't live in Clarendon or Rosslyn any more.

We are a walker family to Key and 40 sounds way too low. We sure see a lot more then that.

I’d trust aps staff to know who is and isn’t eligible for bus service over your anecdote.[/quote

The same staff that has been wrong about virtually every school projection for the past several years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Also if your main justification for keeping the program at the current location is that you walk, how is that not actually saying it needs to be a neighborhood school so your neighbors can do the same? You don’t need to move with it, you know.”

I don’t walk, so I’m guessing we’re not neighbors, thank the sweet baby Jesus. I’m thinking about the health of the program, not my personal convenience. I’ll go with it wherever it goes, even if that means to your shitty school, which we will turn into a warm, loving, fun, loud place, as we do.

+1. The Key students, staff, and parents will positively transform that mausoleum.