I'm not sure that Roseanne's tweet about Valerie Jarrett is as racist as it appears to be

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the question is what was going on in Roseanne's mind when she made that tweet. Was the Planet of the Apes comparison motivated by VJ's race or her appearance? From actually seeing a picture of her I can believe that the comparison was motivated by her appearance and not her race.

It was motivated by Barr being really, really f*cking deplorably stupid. I can see why you share her points of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

No, the standard for racism is different than the standard for being offensive. I keep holding out hope that conservatives will eventually figure this out, but I'm continually let down.

Maybe you could help us by defining each offensive circumstance and where it ranks, starting with the worst first. You've got racism. Whites vs. blacks, Latinos, Chinese, etc. Then the opposite where the minorities defame the whites. Next misogamy. Here woman vs. woman, man vs. woman. After that homophobic disparaging, from both straight males and straight females. Then transgender bashing, how does that rank in the list? Finally, explain how each remark is either a joke or slanderous based upon who says it, e.g. an entertainer/comedian/politician/company employee/service worker of the following classes, male or female, black or white, etc.

I am not very versed in the degree of outrage that each remark warrants in any given circumstance so please help me better understand. Also, for each let me know if it is an offense worth of firing, or if an apology or saying it was simply a joke would serve to make it go away

Thanks for your help.

It's just so exhausting not being a racist, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

No, the standard for racism is different than the standard for being offensive. I keep holding out hope that conservatives will eventually figure this out, but I'm continually let down.

Maybe you could help us by defining each offensive circumstance and where it ranks, starting with the worst first. You've got racism. Whites vs. blacks, Latinos, Chinese, etc. Then the opposite where the minorities defame the whites. Next misogamy. Here woman vs. woman, man vs. woman. After that homophobic disparaging, from both straight males and straight females. Then transgender bashing, how does that rank in the list? Finally, explain how each remark is either a joke or slanderous based upon who says it, e.g. an entertainer/comedian/politician/company employee/service worker of the following classes, male or female, black or white, etc.

I am not very versed in the degree of outrage that each remark warrants in any given circumstance so please help me better understand. Also, for each let me know if it is an offense worth of firing, or if an apology or saying it was simply a joke would serve to make it go away

Thanks for your help.

Your snarky douchebaggery has been duly noted. Your ex-wife must be thanking her lucky stars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But she isn't white.

Doesn't matter. What matters is if Roseanne thought she was. It is very different comparing a white person to an ape than a black person, although both are of course terrible. I mean, liberals here compare the president of the US to an "orange turd," but we wouldn't have been able to compare Obama to a "constipated black turd."

And before you start in with "it's fake orange tan" stuff, it still is a stupid thing to criticize Trump about. It shows a fixation on color - natural or fake - by people who proclaim that color should be irrelevant.

This is why you support Trump. To suggest that insulting someone is the same as a blatant racist comments says all we need to know about you. Trump said horrible things about Obama. They were racist also!

Given our history of slavery and racism, the fact that you would even write this is incredible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But she isn't white.

Doesn't matter. What matters is if Roseanne thought she was. It is very different comparing a white person to an ape than a black person, although both are of course terrible. I mean, liberals here compare the president of the US to an "orange turd," but we wouldn't have been able to compare Obama to a "constipated black turd."

And before you start in with "it's fake orange tan" stuff, it still is a stupid thing to criticize Trump about. It shows a fixation on color - natural or fake - by people who proclaim that color should be irrelevant.

This is why you support Trump. To suggest that insulting someone is the same as a blatant racist comments says all we need to know about you. Trump said horrible things about Obama. They were racist also!

Given our history of slavery and racism, the fact that you would even write this is incredible.

If we could just get the order of the worst to least disparaging remarks we may be more able to keep up with your outrage on these topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Jeff, please delete this thread. This poster is trying to normalize what Roseanne tweeted and to soft pedal it by claiming that she finds Valerie Jarrett pretty even though it's true she looks like Planet of the Apes.

We need to be better than this.

I like Trevor Noah's comment that what Rosanne tweeted is "shit in your pants racism". Everyone can smell it, everyone can see it, and nobody wants to help you clean it up.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

No, the standard for racism is different than the standard for being offensive. I keep holding out hope that conservatives will eventually figure this out, but I'm continually let down.

Maybe you could help us by defining each offensive circumstance and where it ranks, starting with the worst first. You've got racism. Whites vs. blacks, Latinos, Chinese, etc. Then the opposite where the minorities defame the whites. Next misogamy. Here woman vs. woman, man vs. woman. After that homophobic disparaging, from both straight males and straight females. Then transgender bashing, how does that rank in the list? Finally, explain how each remark is either a joke or slanderous based upon who says it, e.g. an entertainer/comedian/politician/company employee/service worker of the following classes, male or female, black or white, etc.

I am not very versed in the degree of outrage that each remark warrants in any given circumstance so please help me better understand. Also, for each let me know if it is an offense worth of firing, or if an apology or saying it was simply a joke would serve to make it go away

Thanks for your help.

If you are interested in lists, then you should make your own. You can tell us what type of violent imagery regarding presidents is acceptable and which isn't. Based on observation, holding a fake severed head gets you kicked off your show but saying Obama and Hillary should be hanged gets you invited to the White House. Similarly, it appears that mocking grabbing a woman's breasts requires for you to resign from the Senate, but actually grabbing a woman's genitals gets you elected president. Lying about sex gets you impeached if you are a Democrat, but lying about paying off a porn star doesn't if you are a Republican. It would obviously take someone of your caliber to explain all of this, so please get started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Jeff, please delete this thread. This poster is trying to normalize what Roseanne tweeted and to soft pedal it by claiming that she finds Valerie Jarrett pretty even though it's true she looks like Planet of the Apes.

We need to be better than this.

I like Trevor Noah's comment that what Rosanne tweeted is "shit in your pants racism". Everyone can smell it, everyone can see it, and nobody wants to help you clean it up.

+1 yep, and Ambien didn't put those thoughts in her head

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

I'm pretty conservative and think Roseanne's comment was beyond disgusting and reprehensible.

Yes, it was (I'm also somewhat conservative). But so was Samantha Bee's. Honestly, I don't see one as less awful than the other.

[Anonymous]

Bee's wasn't racist! How much clearer does one need to be. Trump has called people far worse than Bee and he is Prez and you all seem to just looooove him for it. But Rosanne--clear cut racism. Which, let's be honest, Trump hangs his hat on that post too.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

No, the standard for racism is different than the standard for being offensive. I keep holding out hope that conservatives will eventually figure this out, but I'm continually let down.

Maybe you could help us by defining each offensive circumstance and where it ranks, starting with the worst first. You've got racism. Whites vs. blacks, Latinos, Chinese, etc. Then the opposite where the minorities defame the whites. Next misogamy. Here woman vs. woman, man vs. woman. After that homophobic disparaging, from both straight males and straight females. Then transgender bashing, how does that rank in the list? Finally, explain how each remark is either a joke or slanderous based upon who says it, e.g. an entertainer/comedian/politician/company employee/service worker of the following classes, male or female, black or white, etc.

I am not very versed in the degree of outrage that each remark warrants in any given circumstance so please help me better understand. Also, for each let me know if it is an offense worth of firing, or if an apology or saying it was simply a joke would serve to make it go away

Thanks for your help.

If you are interested in lists, then you should make your own. You can tell us what type of violent imagery regarding presidents is acceptable and which isn't. Based on observation, holding a fake severed head gets you kicked off your show but saying Obama and Hillary should be hanged gets you invited to the White House. Similarly, it appears that mocking grabbing a woman's breasts requires for you to resign from the Senate, but actually grabbing a woman's genitals gets you elected president. Lying about sex gets you impeached if you are a Democrat, but lying about paying off a porn star doesn't if you are a Republican. It would obviously take someone of your caliber to explain all of this, so please get started.

Actually I think its something kind of simple.

Clinton apologized to the American public. Just a few months later, impeachment began.
Griffin apologized. Shows canceled.
Franked apologized. Leaves the senate.

Trump doesn't apologize. Wins the presidency.

In modern society, people take apologies as signs of weakness and an admission of guilt. Apologizing doesn't seem to satiate the mob.

Not apologizing seems to be perceived as strength.

That seems to be the explanation to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comment did not justify cancellation of the entire show - especially considering:

- the harm to so many innocent actors/writers/employees who worked on it,

- Rosanne apologized (several times), and

- she is a comedian! An entertainer. It is her job to push limits and say outrageous things. The networks need to grow up and stop pandering to snowflakes.

Well, that's certainly the exact excuse liberals used to excuse Samantha Bee's grotesque language. Somehow, the standard is different though when a conservative entertainer "pushes the limits."

I'm pretty conservative and think Roseanne's comment was beyond disgusting and reprehensible.

Yes, it was (I'm also somewhat conservative). But so was Samantha Bee's. Honestly, I don't see one as less awful than the other.

Sure.

[Anonymous]

If people hadn’t gone so far as calling Michelle Obama an ape, and it weren’t The Donald’s presidency when it occurred, I don’t think RB’s tweet would have received as much attention and repucussion. Unfortunately, there are racists everywhere. I liken Rb’s racism to Kramer’s “ni**er comment, but with even more political ramification.

[Anonymous]

This is exactly why we have who we have in office. He knows a certain segment of the population will always protect people who are rich, powerful and share their melanin. He knows how people are so quick to believe the worst in others but need to be beat to death with the truth before they believe it’s possible for the rich or the white, or the powerful, or the popular can also be horrible people. It’s the reason why this President can push the boundaries of law and human decency and half of this country will make excuses for him.

I don’t care about Roseanne’s politics, but I do care that she continues to make blanket nasty statements about race and religion and people try to excuses for her behavior. If you’ve paid the slightest attention to Roseanne’s twitter feed and YouTube videos over the past few years, you’d knew she went off the deep end a long time ago and this is not the first time she’s referred to a person of color as an ape.

Admit you don’t care, but don’t insult our intelligence by pretending you don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, it was (I'm also somewhat conservative). But so was Samantha Bee's. Honestly, I don't see one as less awful than the other.

I hesitate to respond to a troll but here is why Rosanne Barr's comment is much worse.

Samantha Bee's chose one inflammatory word. Replace the word "c**t" with "jerk" or even "asshole" and it is standard political comedy.

Now what can you do to fix Barr's comment? Her problem is much more than a choice of words. I suppose you could make the tweet more transparent by writing "Valerie Jarrett is black and a friend of Barack Obama and therefore she is ugly."