APS - questions about Key / ASFS building swap

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Anonymous wrote:Both schools should be neighborhood. Swapping them does NOTHING to address influx of 300+ students from immersion lottery change.

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The density in that area supports two neighborhood schools.

There isn't a density of children in both zones. There's a density of housing, but Key has significantly more children in its potential walk zone than ASFS.

Even if you include the planning units on the other side of Kirkwood?

Yes. If you add up asfs existing walk zone its around 120 (someone should check my math there). Kirkwood planning units effectively double the number of kids to 220.
Key has 314 in its existing walk zone, and another 150 from the units directly south that are orange and yellow in its updated map. There are more kids around key, and that isn't even including the ah around rocky run that is within a half mile walk to key but probably should have a bus anyways.
Lots more kids around key, not to mention that moving 200 kids out of Taylor to fill up asfs makes no sense. Taylor is crowded but not to the point that you need another school, but maybe I'm wrong there.

How many walkers does Taylor have? Move immersion there.

Oooh. This is going to be entertaining. South cherry dale versus north cherry dale. Real Taylor versus the crazy Taylor transfers into asfs. It's like one of those who would win books.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both schools should be neighborhood. Swapping them does NOTHING to address influx of 300+ students from immersion lottery change.

It's yet to be proven that there will be any such influx. Remember, Key is a lottery for only half the county. To date, anyone outside of the Key neighborhood boundary who's wanted a spot in immersion has been able to attend, even thise on the Claremont waitlist. So, I don't know that there's suddenly going to be demand from outside the Key zone that would displace Key neighborhood kids immediately. And it isn't likely to be 300 kids.

If there wasn’t such a clamoring demand for Key access, why did they change the lottery?? What was the urgency, why not wait until they had a proper plan in place and incorporate the Reed school eat al?

Anyways with all the other shuffling of zones, demand will likely increase esp from S Arlington.

[Anonymous]

On a side note, I walked down 14th street today because this thread made me very curious. Yes, there is a contiguous side walk. However there are cars parked on the majority of the side walk on the side with the townhouses (the sidewalk is their driveway). Its not possible to expand that sidewalk without making the street one way. So there is no way a reasonable person would say that that is a handicap accessible route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On a side note, I walked down 14th street today because this thread made me very curious. Yes, there is a contiguous side walk. However there are cars parked on the majority of the side walk on the side with the townhouses (the sidewalk is their driveway). Its not possible to expand that sidewalk without making the street one way. So there is no way a reasonable person would say that that is a handicap accessible route.

Does APS provide exception busing for handicapped within a walkzone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both schools should be neighborhood. Swapping them does NOTHING to address influx of 300+ students from immersion lottery change.

It's yet to be proven that there will be any such influx. Remember, Key is a lottery for only half the county. To date, anyone outside of the Key neighborhood boundary who's wanted a spot in immersion has been able to attend, even thise on the Claremont waitlist. So, I don't know that there's suddenly going to be demand from outside the Key zone that would displace Key neighborhood kids immediately. And it isn't likely to be 300 kids.

If there wasn’t such a clamoring demand for Key access, why did they change the lottery?? What was the urgency, why not wait until they had a proper plan in place and incorporate the Reed school eat al?

Anyways with all the other shuffling of zones, demand will likely increase esp from S Arlington.

Because it was a huge problem at Claremont with giant waiting lists every year (and at Campbell as well) and the board or staff felt that they couldn't continue to have neighborhood preference in some places and not in others.

S. Arlington parent

[Anonymous]

I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

The school board has Obliquely discussed ASFS boundaries, and the ASFS PTA has felt it worthwhile to protest the swap. Really they should both be neighborhood schools, and immersion head west where there are seats. I know the whole Claremont - West and Key East divide, but this a county 5 miles across, they can figure it out since most students will bus anyways now that it is lottery only m

And you know once Key is lottery only, if they don’t get huge demand, then it will pull folks off the Claremont wait list which is huge — I think this was the real reason for the change. Hence location doesn’t really matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

They have to do something, because with the change in transfer policy they have created a zone with 850 kids and no neighborhood elementary school in the boundary. One option is to redraw boundaries around ASFS and the other option is to make Key a neighborhood school by moving immersion elsewhere. Either way people get very angry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

They have to do something, because with the change in transfer policy they have created a zone with 850 kids and no neighborhood elementary school in the boundary. One option is to redraw boundaries around ASFS and the other option is to make Key a neighborhood school by moving immersion elsewhere. Either way people get very angry.

Redrawing around ASFS is insufficient. They have to offload some students in neighboring schools, like Long Branch, Taylor, maybe Ashlawn? Do any of those schools have capacity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

They have to do something, because with the change in transfer policy they have created a zone with 850 kids and no neighborhood elementary school in the boundary. One option is to redraw boundaries around ASFS and the other option is to make Key a neighborhood school by moving immersion elsewhere. Either way people get very angry.

Redrawing around ASFS is insufficient. They have to offload some students in neighboring schools, like Long Branch, Taylor, maybe Ashlawn? Do any of those schools have capacity?

Taylor would have some capacity since the kids being zoned into ASFS would be coming from there, but then you end up with a situation where you are sending kids from Rosslyn, the most urban neighborhood in the county where many people don’t drive, to Taylor over 3 miles away. That is really far for a neighborhood school and is a rough trip during rush hour for before and aftercare. Yes, this is potentially my life for 8 years because I have little kids. I don’t like the idea very much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On a side note, I walked down 14th street today because this thread made me very curious. Yes, there is a contiguous side walk. However there are cars parked on the majority of the side walk on the side with the townhouses (the sidewalk is their driveway). Its not possible to expand that sidewalk without making the street one way. So there is no way a reasonable person would say that that is a handicap accessible route.

It’s an uphill climb too, yo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they changed Key to a full lottery school more because of the demand for Claremont, which always had a waiting list. I think the Claremont zone felt Key’s boundaries allowed those in the Key zone more realistic access to immersion, and I guess the lottery system coupled with a change in the boundaries was perceived as more equitable than the old system.

Im a Key parent and I hadn’t even heard about this proposed building swap. Is this really being considered, or is it one of a million proposals that will amount to very little?

They have to do something, because with the change in transfer policy they have created a zone with 850 kids and no neighborhood elementary school in the boundary. One option is to redraw boundaries around ASFS and the other option is to make Key a neighborhood school by moving immersion elsewhere. Either way people get very angry.

No way would I be “angry” if Key became a neighborhood school. Spanish immersion is played out. It’s like time traveling to 2009.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a side note, I walked down 14th street today because this thread made me very curious. Yes, there is a contiguous side walk. However there are cars parked on the majority of the side walk on the side with the townhouses (the sidewalk is their driveway). Its not possible to expand that sidewalk without making the street one way. So there is no way a reasonable person would say that that is a handicap accessible route.

It’s an uphill climb too, yo.

Does ADA law mandate that every entrance to a school be handicap accessible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a side note, I walked down 14th street today because this thread made me very curious. Yes, there is a contiguous side walk. However there are cars parked on the majority of the side walk on the side with the townhouses (the sidewalk is their driveway). Its not possible to expand that sidewalk without making the street one way. So there is no way a reasonable person would say that that is a handicap accessible route.

It’s an uphill climb too, yo.

Does ADA law mandate that every entrance to a school be handicap accessible?

Nope. Hence the Wilson building trainwreck.

[Anonymous]

When is this being decided?