4th comprehensive Arlington high school

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Anonymous wrote:if you are *just* outside of the proposed walk zone for the possible hs at the career center, is it likely you could still be redirected to it?
I’m really only supportive of a high school at the career center, if my house gets drawn to it. It would be really bad for my property values to be stuck at Wakefield. I was fine with Wakefield before, but it’s clear it’s going to really take a dive if the career center cite is used.
Will we know one way or the other beforehand?

Will we know before what? Before a decision is made whether the high school will be neighborhood v. choice? No. they will not do boundaries until a year before the school is to open.

And if you're concerned about Wakefield tanking, then join the fight for socioeconomic diversity across our schools and get a large group of people to advocate loudly and strongly with you to ensure the SB makes economic diversity a factor in boundaries. Of course, if you're only concerned about your property values, don't bother.

But the way APS does boundaries, yes, you're likely to be redistricted to the career center site if you are just outside the proposed walk zone.....unless you are also very close to another high school boundary, then there's a slight chance you won't be.

There is no fight for socioeconomic diversity. When presented with the possibility to do that right thing for better integrated schools, the SB chose differently. More than once they’ve done that. I have no interest in banging my head again a wall. I just want a better school.
Ps- if I was looking to buy a home in south Arlington, I would really think twice about how close that home is to the career center.
It’s one thing to be ok with Wakefield as it is now, but consider how it might be after a 4th high school opens on the east side of the Pike.

There's some truth in that. My sense is that most of the SB would prefer that SA neighborhood schools primarily serve the disadvantaged, immigrant students. For those students, Randolph or Barcroft or Kenmore or Wakefield is Harvard Law compared to where their parents went to school. So that's why "all schools are good schools". And it makes it easier to deliver social services. Creating integrated schools is a different kind of good, a politically harder one that is backed really only by professionals in SA with kids.

Then the SB should just admit that and make certain schools just for low-income ELL students and provide nearby guaranteed default schools for all the non FRL-eligible families.

I can't imagine that'd be legal. Anyway, that's essentially what option schools do.

Except option schools are not a guarantee. Not everyone can get in. And not everyone is a fit for the program. That's not the same as providing a regular neighborhood school program like everyone else can get.

Yeah, demand for option schools is now outstripping supply. Honestly, if APS would just track students I think they'd have less white flight and demand for option schools. I get the history of tracking is problematic and at times discriminatory, but it was invented because it's literally impossible for a single instructor to teach a classroom of 20 kids individually. No one is actually capable of "multitasking."

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

For context: randolphs planning units have approximately 590 k-5 aged students this school year. There are about 470 students enrolled there. So about 120 students zoned for Randolph don't go to school there. FWIW, the planning units containing the SFH portion of Douglas park that are zoned to Randolph have about 135 students.

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

For context: randolphs planning units have approximately 590 k-5 aged students this school year. There are about 470 students enrolled there. So about 120 students zoned for Randolph don't go to school there. FWIW, the planning units containing the SFH portion of Douglas park that are zoned to Randolph have about 135 students.

20 years ago. Ten years ago. This year. Next year...
You drive through the homes in Douglas Park, and see strollers and young families. You think the school is about to turn around.
There is no way to balance that school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

For context: randolphs planning units have approximately 590 k-5 aged students this school year. There are about 470 students enrolled there. So about 120 students zoned for Randolph don't go to school there. FWIW, the planning units containing the SFH portion of Douglas park that are zoned to Randolph have about 135 students.

And how many of those transfers are from the SFHs? How many of those transfers (or opt-outs) are ED students?
And what about the parts of Douglas Park zoned to other schools? How many of those students are middle class and how many are ED?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

For context: randolphs planning units have approximately 590 k-5 aged students this school year. There are about 470 students enrolled there. So about 120 students zoned for Randolph don't go to school there. FWIW, the planning units containing the SFH portion of Douglas park that are zoned to Randolph have about 135 students.

And how many of those transfers are from the SFHs? How many of those transfers (or opt-outs) are ED students?
And what about the parts of Douglas Park zoned to other schools? How many of those students are middle class and how many are ED?

Most of the transfers are from sfh's. Few of the transfers are from ED students.The other parts go to Hoffman Boston. They are middle class. Will be interesting to see how many students are in those units. It is sfh’s and high end condos at west village. If they all get redirected AND everyone decides to got to Randolph- Randolph will Be WAY OVER CAPACITY. and still mostly poor. That area is a cluster and truly nobody wants to deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not enough SA middle class professionals. And they are not vocal enough. It's not about fair. It's about being loud and visible. If SA parents want to be heard they have to organize and be prepared for the liberal activist VOICE nuts' blowback.

Actually, there are plenty of SA middle class professionals. The problem is that many of them are part of VOICE. And many who aren't, don't need to make a fuss because they have their house and "diverse neighborhood" and their choice public school program so they don't have to admit to the realities their indifference create.

Well, yeah, that's the bargain, that's the politics. Option schools are basically a way to get SA professionals quiet about school segregation. Prob is, now there is more demand than supply for option schools. There is this fantasy that these students who don't get an option seat will somehow be "forced" to attend a segregated school that doesn't track students on ability. Nope, they'll move.

Wrong on all.

Randolph parent

IF the above poster was incorrect, the numbers at Randolph would look different.

For context: randolphs planning units have approximately 590 k-5 aged students this school year. There are about 470 students enrolled there. So about 120 students zoned for Randolph don't go to school there. FWIW, the planning units containing the SFH portion of Douglas park that are zoned to Randolph have about 135 students.

And how many of those transfers are from the SFHs? How many of those transfers (or opt-outs) are ED students?
And what about the parts of Douglas Park zoned to other schools? How many of those students are middle class and how many are ED?

APS doesn't release information detailed. Maybe if the transfer report showed statistics by sending school and not just receiving school, that's give a sense, since it does show race and SES by destination school. We'd be able to see if in fact it was mostly white, advantaged kids decamping to Claremont and otheehr schos, or not. In the absence of that kind of information that people make conclusion based on personal observations like, "If SFH in Douglas park go for $700k+, why are 3/4 of the students at the neighborhood elementary disadvantaged?"