How to have Eternal Life

[Anonymous]

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I think the Bible is divinely inspired but I do not take it literally, like many Christians. Many of the stories in the Bible are a product of their time and place, which is thousands of years ago in the Middle East.

- I disagree. I take Bible as the Living Word of God. Not a metaphor.

I don’t worry about eternity because I try to live the way I think is right. I see no reason to worry if my conscience is clear and I am right with God.

- I disagree. I worry about eternity because there is no other place but eternity for my spirit. I strive to dwell in presence of God in eternity. This life is just a blip in eternity. While having clear conscious is great I also need time and place for Jesus Christ on daily basis. If I don't find time for Him on daily basis He will not find time for me in eternity. And rightfully so.

You can judge that if you want but I will warn you that I have actually read the Bible in its entirety many, many times, and that I believe what I do for a reason.

- It's not my place to judge you for anything. Only God can do that. I am having a conversation with you.

Ok. You take the Bible literally, and you worry about eternity. If that is helpful to you, more power to you. What are you trying to convince me of?

Your way is not the only way. Other people will choose a different path, and that’s ok.

Correct. But nobody made you join the discussion. You are merely offended others are discussing.

Did I break into your house and force you to read the thread?

I’m not actually offended, I’m just offering an alternative view...

You seem to be more offended by that, and you seem to suggest that anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what you do can’t be a real Christian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

+1

Hmm. No. I agree with the first poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

Ok, cool. I’ll make sure to let him know.

My pastor has actually baptized hundreds of people, but maybe you’re right. I can’t say that I understand what you’re trying to accomplish.

Discussing my beliefs? Forbidden, apparently. What’s good for discussion here? Do you have a personal list we all must follow?

How is calling my pastor “lukewarm” discussing YOUR beliefs? Are you the same person who called the other poster a narcissist? You can be mean if you want but it’s not going to be a good discussion.

You missed the NP comment. You are now responding to two different people. I'm the one who called your pastor "lukewarm," which - BTW - Christ says God will spit out - because -- based on the comments you made - he is perverting the Gospel to his own liking. Just go back and read what you wrote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's all calm down please. This is clearly an important topic but let's not get nasty like people on politics thread are. There is no need for that.

It’s insane that nobody has been forced to read or comment here, but have attacked me for my beliefs.

Nobody has to agree. But my expression isn’t the problem.

Those objecting to this thread aren’t giving me the courtesy to believe as I wish.

But repeatedly speak of their beliefs.

Why are their beliefs ok, but mine, hideous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

Ok, cool. I’ll make sure to let him know.

My pastor has actually baptized hundreds of people, but maybe you’re right. I can’t say that I understand what you’re trying to accomplish.

Baptized hundreds of people? So have a lot of other so-called pastors who have perverted God's word to their own personal gain and liking.

Ok, and? You’re insulting a person you don’t know. I know my pastor, I know he’s actually awesome, so I don’t really know what else to say. I mean should I go into a lengthy defense of my unnamed pastor because you don’t like something he said that is actually great common sense? A lot of the posters on this thread are getting really testy and insulting and I think that reveals their depth more than anything I have to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the Bible is divinely inspired but I do not take it literally, like many Christians. Many of the stories in the Bible are a product of their time and place, which is thousands of years ago in the Middle East.

- I disagree. I take Bible as the Living Word of God. Not a metaphor.

I don’t worry about eternity because I try to live the way I think is right. I see no reason to worry if my conscience is clear and I am right with God.

- I disagree. I worry about eternity because there is no other place but eternity for my spirit. I strive to dwell in presence of God in eternity. This life is just a blip in eternity. While having clear conscious is great I also need time and place for Jesus Christ on daily basis. If I don't find time for Him on daily basis He will not find time for me in eternity. And rightfully so.

You can judge that if you want but I will warn you that I have actually read the Bible in its entirety many, many times, and that I believe what I do for a reason.

- It's not my place to judge you for anything. Only God can do that. I am having a conversation with you.

Ok. You take the Bible literally, and you worry about eternity. If that is helpful to you, more power to you. What are you trying to convince me of?

Your way is not the only way. Other people will choose a different path, and that’s ok.

Correct. But nobody made you join the discussion. You are merely offended others are discussing.

Did I break into your house and force you to read the thread?

I’m not actually offended, I’m just offering an alternative view...

You seem to be more offended by that, and you seem to suggest that anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what you do can’t be a real Christian.

Can you quote where I said that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

+1

Hmm. No. I agree with the first poster.

I have zero interest in "feel-good", "live in this moment", "amazing life right now" New Age-so-called-Christianity.

[Anonymous]

OP only wants to have a "discussion" with people who agree with her.

She insults the others.

Not exactly a shining Christian example, are you, OP?

Perhaps instead of trying to expound on the internet, you should spend the time in a little introspection. Being nasty doesn't suit you.

[Anonymous]

15:38 and 15:48 are two totally different posters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

+1

Hmm. No. I agree with the first poster.

I have zero interest in "feel-good", "live in this moment", "amazing life right now" New Age-so-called-Christianity.

And I as well.

However, no where did I say others must not choose their path.

I believe what I posted in the op.

If you don’t, don’t be offended.

Open minds mean we all get a choice to express.

When you become offended and try to debate, neither of us will change our minds, and all that ensues is arguing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

Ok, cool. I’ll make sure to let him know.

My pastor has actually baptized hundreds of people, but maybe you’re right. I can’t say that I understand what you’re trying to accomplish.

Discussing my beliefs? Forbidden, apparently. What’s good for discussion here? Do you have a personal list we all must follow?

How is calling my pastor “lukewarm” discussing YOUR beliefs? Are you the same person who called the other poster a narcissist? You can be mean if you want but it’s not going to be a good discussion.

You missed the NP comment. You are now responding to two different people. I'm the one who called your pastor "lukewarm," which - BTW - Christ says God will spit out - because -- based on the comments you made - he is perverting the Gospel to his own liking. Just go back and read what you wrote.

Yeah, I know what I wrote and I stand by it, and I also know the Bible verse about being lukewarm, so I understand that it is a pretty insulting thing to say about someone’s pastor.

You think what he is saying perverts the gospel but all you do is insult the person making the statement instead of explaining why it offends you. I suspect that you don’t really know why the post upset you so much, perhaps it hit a nerve? Have you tried to say things to non Christians that you know they can’t really relate to because you want to feel good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My pastor calls things like OP’s post “Christianese,” or stuff Christians say to other Christians to make themselves feel good. No one who isn’t Christian is going to find the idea of Jesus paying your “sin-debt” compelling. People feel like they have more pressing issues, like how to feel peace, be a good person, etc. And sadly, they are so turned off by people like OP that they never see that the love of Jesus can do amazing things in your life, the one you are living right now.

NP. And I call people like your pastor "lukewarm" and not followers of Christ at all. Christianity is not about marketing itself based on popular polling.

+1

Hmm. No. I agree with the first poster.

I have zero interest in "feel-good", "live in this moment", "amazing life right now" New Age-so-called-Christianity.

And I as well.

However, no where did I say others must not choose their path.

I believe what I posted in the op.

If you don’t, don’t be offended.

Open minds mean we all get a choice to express.

When you become offended and try to debate, neither of us will change our minds, and all that ensues is arguing.

You have just responded to a totally different poster. There is a lot of confusion here without IDs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
OP only wants to have a "discussion" with people who agree with her.

She insults the others.

Not exactly a shining Christian example, are you, OP?

Perhaps instead of trying to expound on the internet, you should spend the time in a little introspection. Being nasty doesn't suit you.

Sure. It’s really great to have a pile on of someone who has a different value system.

If you don’t agree with my values, why are you discussing this?

I do want to have discussion with like minded. It’s great to discuss your beliefs with people who think as you do.

It doesn’t mean others can’t have their own choices. But the mention of my choices causes uproar.

It’s puzzling; like only people who aren’t biblically Christian are allowed to discuss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the Bible is divinely inspired but I do not take it literally, like many Christians. Many of the stories in the Bible are a product of their time and place, which is thousands of years ago in the Middle East.

- I disagree. I take Bible as the Living Word of God. Not a metaphor.

I don’t worry about eternity because I try to live the way I think is right. I see no reason to worry if my conscience is clear and I am right with God.

- I disagree. I worry about eternity because there is no other place but eternity for my spirit. I strive to dwell in presence of God in eternity. This life is just a blip in eternity. While having clear conscious is great I also need time and place for Jesus Christ on daily basis. If I don't find time for Him on daily basis He will not find time for me in eternity. And rightfully so.

You can judge that if you want but I will warn you that I have actually read the Bible in its entirety many, many times, and that I believe what I do for a reason.

- It's not my place to judge you for anything. Only God can do that. I am having a conversation with you.

Ok. You take the Bible literally, and you worry about eternity. If that is helpful to you, more power to you. What are you trying to convince me of?

Your way is not the only way. Other people will choose a different path, and that’s ok.

Correct. But nobody made you join the discussion. You are merely offended others are discussing.

Did I break into your house and force you to read the thread?

I’m not actually offended, I’m just offering an alternative view...

You seem to be more offended by that, and you seem to suggest that anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what you do can’t be a real Christian.

If you posted a thread with an alternative view, I wouldn’t comment. I don’t argue with people about their religion because it’s not going to change anything. But I stand by my choices like a rock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
OP only wants to have a "discussion" with people who agree with her.

She insults the others.

Not exactly a shining Christian example, are you, OP?

Perhaps instead of trying to expound on the internet, you should spend the time in a little introspection. Being nasty doesn't suit you.

I think it reveals a real lack of depth when people do things like this. OP is super randomly posting Bible verses on a religion forum, but when challenged with people who want to discuss how her statements are relevant to them, she and possibly another poster kind of lost it. She literally just wants people to post “amen” and can not tolerate being challenged. It just seems like a really frustrating exercise for her and I don’t really get why people do things like this.