Attn Maury parents

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that the DCPS is proposing to merge Maury and Miner together because the construction budget for Maury is not large enough to service the current boundary.

Here's why this is crazy:

1. DCPS just redrew the boundary 2 years ago for Maury and made it bigger. Now apparently it's too big. So this is a mistake of DCPS' own making
2. Everyone here knows the modernization budgets in this city are crazy but I've never heard of them merging 2 school buildings because of a tight construction budget. This is the same DCPS that has spent over $200 million on Duke Ellington, which has fewer kids than Maury and enrolls Maryland students!! So WHY DONT THEY ASK THE CITY FOR MORE MONEY INSTEAD
3. This seems like a thinly veiled attempt to salvage Miner, which has abysmal performance. But combining 1 good school & 1 bad school together =/= 1 successful school
4. I strongly doubt Miner parents want to be inundated with Maury families and I know for a fact that Maury parents don't want their kids to go to Miner

DCPS is asking parents to complete this survey. If you think this is crazy (or maybe you think it's great, IDK), I encourage you to take the survey:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdq-Y8TRjflX9ySc8x2ipkqgHOT8EafXNjKqQ1UKHxzlpTydg/viewform

I don't know where I come out on this issue but OP's "argument" is just silly, self involved and a tad bit racist and classist. Let's examine, shall we?

1. And??? what exactly is her point? Yes, the original decision was made by DCPS. And let's assume for the sake of argument that the boundaries were too big and it created a problem. There is a problem, so now it has to be solved. OP's post doesn't propose another outcome, it just says that DCPS created it. So because they created it they cannot or should not solve it? Your argument is what I would expect from a pre-teen or teen.
2. Money doesn't equal land. Unless, of course, you want them to annex the houses on the block. Also, the fact that there were silly cost oveerruns and excessive spending elsewhere doesn't mean they should repeat the behavior. That's a child's response. As a taxpayer I would like to see excessive spending stopped, not perpetuated. Although I am guessing that OP would argue that DCPS should overspend on Maury so they get theirs, but then stop such irresponsible spending. That argument would be consistent with the self involved and juvenile "logic" in the rest of OP's post.
3. "Salvage Miner"? Wow (and I don't live near there and my kids don't go there so I do not have a horse in this race), but wow! It doesn't need salvaging. It's not where Maury or Brent or LT are, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist. As to your second thought here, yes, there is no denying that part of the solution here is to try and solve an overcrowding issue with an action that also might benefit another school. But that's actually a smart approach. As to your little equation, um, the data suggests that these types of actions actually do work. You have the right to take issue with the data, but your silly equation just makes you look ignorant for not even understanding that such data exists.
4. This was my favorite of the four generally ignorant and angry statements. Please tell us why Miner families wouldn't want to be "inundated with Maury families". Are you all too well spoken? Rich? Educated? White? What's the subtext here, please tell us all high and mighty. I bet that Miner families would love to have engaged parents and high performing kids join their school. Whether they would want you coming along with your kids is a horse of a different color altogether.

Again, I do not have kids at Maury or Miner. And the proposed merger deserves a careful and serious consideration. OP's absurd post just isn't that.

I love you. Bravo.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe this. And our only representative is the worthless Charles Allen. The same guy who has never done a thing but make the Hill a totally worse place to live.

I don't have particularly strong feelings about Charles Allen but in my experience he is a nice guy who shows up and is very receptive to constituents' complaints. He is also on the right side of most local issues I care about. But I see a comment with almost this exact phrasing every time his name comes up here. Are you a political rival or something? It's really strange.

I think by and large Charles Allen is a nice guy. But in this city, you unfortunately need a representative who will shamelessly lobby and fight for what's best your ward, or else the city bureaucracy will run roughshod over your neighborhood. Just look at what they're doing to Maury and the craziness with Watkins relocation. Or the state of 17th street. For comparison, there is no way that Mary Cheh would stand for this craziness in ward 3

Cheh barely lifted a finger when DCPS tried to play its shitty games with the Murch renovation, and she was once a Murch parent. So yeah, she's fine with abject stupidity, mostly because she takes her voters for granted and thinks she knows better than them (or most people on the planet, really).

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that the DCPS is proposing to merge Maury and Miner together because the construction budget for Maury is not large enough to service the current boundary.

Here's why this is crazy:

1. DCPS just redrew the boundary 2 years ago for Maury and made it bigger. Now apparently it's too big. So this is a mistake of DCPS' own making
2. Everyone here knows the modernization budgets in this city are crazy but I've never heard of them merging 2 school buildings because of a tight construction budget. This is the same DCPS that has spent over $200 million on Duke Ellington, which has fewer kids than Maury and enrolls Maryland students!! So WHY DONT THEY ASK THE CITY FOR MORE MONEY INSTEAD
3. This seems like a thinly veiled attempt to salvage Miner, which has abysmal performance. But combining 1 good school & 1 bad school together =/= 1 successful school
4. I strongly doubt Miner parents want to be inundated with Maury families and I know for a fact that Maury parents don't want their kids to go to Miner

DCPS is asking parents to complete this survey. If you think this is crazy (or maybe you think it's great, IDK), I encourage you to take the survey:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdq-Y8TRjflX9ySc8x2ipkqgHOT8EafXNjKqQ1UKHxzlpTydg/viewform

I don't know where I come out on this issue but OP's "argument" is just silly, self involved and a tad bit racist and classist. Let's examine, shall we?

1. And??? what exactly is her point? Yes, the original decision was made by DCPS. And let's assume for the sake of argument that the boundaries were too big and it created a problem. There is a problem, so now it has to be solved. OP's post doesn't propose another outcome, it just says that DCPS created it. So because they created it they cannot or should not solve it? Your argument is what I would expect from a pre-teen or teen.
2. Money doesn't equal land. Unless, of course, you want them to annex the houses on the block. Also, the fact that there were silly cost oveerruns and excessive spending elsewhere doesn't mean they should repeat the behavior. That's a child's response. As a taxpayer I would like to see excessive spending stopped, not perpetuated. Although I am guessing that OP would argue that DCPS should overspend on Maury so they get theirs, but then stop such irresponsible spending. That argument would be consistent with the self involved and juvenile "logic" in the rest of OP's post.
3. "Salvage Miner"? Wow (and I don't live near there and my kids don't go there so I do not have a horse in this race), but wow! It doesn't need salvaging. It's not where Maury or Brent or LT are, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist. As to your second thought here, yes, there is no denying that part of the solution here is to try and solve an overcrowding issue with an action that also might benefit another school. But that's actually a smart approach. As to your little equation, um, the data suggests that these types of actions actually do work. You have the right to take issue with the data, but your silly equation just makes you look ignorant for not even understanding that such data exists.
4. This was my favorite of the four generally ignorant and angry statements. Please tell us why Miner families wouldn't want to be "inundated with Maury families". Are you all too well spoken? Rich? Educated? White? What's the subtext here, please tell us all high and mighty. I bet that Miner families would love to have engaged parents and high performing kids join their school. Whether they would want you coming along with your kids is a horse of a different color altogether.

Again, I do not have kids at Maury or Miner. And the proposed merger deserves a careful and serious consideration. OP's absurd post just isn't that.

I love you. Bravo.

Let's stop pretending this plan was some well-thought-out stratagem from DCPS. This was an easy opportunity for them to check two boxes at once: small construction budget for Maury and turnaround for Miner. I don't blame parents from either school for not wanting to be experimented on by the evidently poor planners at DCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe this. And our only representative is the worthless Charles Allen. The same guy who has never done a thing but make the Hill a totally worse place to live.

I don't have particularly strong feelings about Charles Allen but in my experience he is a nice guy who shows up and is very receptive to constituents' complaints. He is also on the right side of most local issues I care about. But I see a comment with almost this exact phrasing every time his name comes up here. Are you a political rival or something? It's really strange.

I think by and large Charles Allen is a nice guy. But in this city, you unfortunately need a representative who will shamelessly lobby and fight for what's best your ward, or else the city bureaucracy will run roughshod over your neighborhood. Just look at what they're doing to Maury and the craziness with Watkins relocation. Or the state of 17th street. For comparison, there is no way that Mary Cheh would stand for this craziness in ward 3

I thought the Watkins relocation was going fine?

all i know is that most people do not think watkins will be done on time, so an extra year in the awful Eliot Hine building

Oh well, that sounds inconvenient but not a disaster in the long run.

sorry that your pre-schooler has to attend school in a run-down junior high for another year but hey at least according to 1 message board commenter it's not a disaster. With that attidude why bother renovating schools at all

Ok so, you live in an urban school district, and you're getting your school beautifully renovated. It is inconvenient and perhaps not ideal to have to be in a swing space for two years, but pretty much par for the course. As long as the school is safe and has enough room for everyone, this is fairly petty to complain about.

TIL that it's petty to complain about the state of the building where your child attends school.

do you even have kids??

Yes, I am a Maury parent and my child will likely spend a year or two in the same swing space as Watkins when they renovate. What exactly do you think the alternative is? I don't love it, but I'm not really following your argument. I haven't been there to check it out yet but I heard they made a separate playground for the little kids, so I'm fine with it.

Are you sure about that timeline? Eliot Hine is sending out surveys and say that their renovation will be in 2018-2019. Wouldn't it be funny if the swing EPA e was in . . .Miner!

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe this. And our only representative is the worthless Charles Allen. The same guy who has never done a thing but make the Hill a totally worse place to live.

I don't have particularly strong feelings about Charles Allen but in my experience he is a nice guy who shows up and is very receptive to constituents' complaints. He is also on the right side of most local issues I care about. But I see a comment with almost this exact phrasing every time his name comes up here. Are you a political rival or something? It's really strange.

I think by and large Charles Allen is a nice guy. But in this city, you unfortunately need a representative who will shamelessly lobby and fight for what's best your ward, or else the city bureaucracy will run roughshod over your neighborhood. Just look at what they're doing to Maury and the craziness with Watkins relocation. Or the state of 17th street. For comparison, there is no way that Mary Cheh would stand for this craziness in ward 3

I thought the Watkins relocation was going fine?

all i know is that most people do not think watkins will be done on time, so an extra year in the awful Eliot Hine building

Oh well, that sounds inconvenient but not a disaster in the long run.

sorry that your pre-schooler has to attend school in a run-down junior high for another year but hey at least according to 1 message board commenter it's not a disaster. With that attidude why bother renovating schools at all

Ok so, you live in an urban school district, and you're getting your school beautifully renovated. It is inconvenient and perhaps not ideal to have to be in a swing space for two years, but pretty much par for the course. As long as the school is safe and has enough room for everyone, this is fairly petty to complain about.

TIL that it's petty to complain about the state of the building where your child attends school.

do you even have kids??

Yes, I am a Maury parent and my child will likely spend a year or two in the same swing space as Watkins when they renovate. What exactly do you think the alternative is? I don't love it, but I'm not really following your argument. I haven't been there to check it out yet but I heard they made a separate playground for the little kids, so I'm fine with it.

Are you sure about that timeline? Eliot Hine is sending out surveys and say that their renovation will be in 2018-2019. Wouldn't it be funny if the swing EPA e was in . . .Miner!

Huh ... that may explain the cluster idea!! I'm not sure that Miner would have room for both schools at the same time. I guess trailers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

Well then you are foolish. Your home value is absolutely tied to the fact that you are inbounds for one of the two elementary schools on the Hill that people consider to be acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

Well then you are foolish. Your home value is absolutely tied to the fact that you are inbounds for one of the two elementary schools on the Hill that people consider to be acceptable.

DP. I think you are narrowly focused on home value, which is silly as a response to OP's hyperventilating information. The PP above you is more concerned about the stability of schooling for her children, and seems to think that sharing the resources is good for the other kids in the community.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

Well then you are foolish. Your home value is absolutely tied to the fact that you are inbounds for one of the two elementary schools on the Hill that people consider to be acceptable.

Except that there are parts of the Maury boundary that are cheaper than parts of the Miner boundary; housing prices are actually largely driven by central-ness/crime on the gentrification edge of the Hill, so 13th & E is more expensive than 15th & A, typically, notwithstanding the school zones. Like, yes, there is clearly a small bump in value priced into houses zoned for Maury, but it's actually nowhere near as clear cut as you're making it out.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe this. And our only representative is the worthless Charles Allen. The same guy who has never done a thing but make the Hill a totally worse place to live.

I don't have particularly strong feelings about Charles Allen but in my experience he is a nice guy who shows up and is very receptive to constituents' complaints. He is also on the right side of most local issues I care about. But I see a comment with almost this exact phrasing every time his name comes up here. Are you a political rival or something? It's really strange.

Allen is feckless and impotent. Good to see him backing an important constituent interest like more electronic billboards at Nats Park.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

Well then you are foolish. Your home value is absolutely tied to the fact that you are inbounds for one of the two elementary schools on the Hill that people consider to be acceptable.

Except that there are parts of the Maury boundary that are cheaper than parts of the Miner boundary; housing prices are actually largely driven by central-ness/crime on the gentrification edge of the Hill, so 13th & E is more expensive than 15th & A, typically, notwithstanding the school zones. Like, yes, there is clearly a small bump in value priced into houses zoned for Maury, but it's actually nowhere near as clear cut as you're making it out.

15th & A may be about the same as 13th & E NE; but certainly the above is true of 17th & C, which is way cheaper than 13th & E (like 6 figures cheaper for the same house). The primary factor isn't schools around the dividing lines for Maury/Miner. Looking at Redfin now, it looks like only the Brent zone really has a per se bump built into housing prices, because you actually see an otherwise irrational jump at the school zone boundaries. Houses on 13th, on the other hand, don't actually jump in price between the C-D block and the D-E block despite that being the school line.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone would run the ## and figure out how many IB students are not attending Miner. If the whole neighborhood just enrolls in a Maury/Miner cluster, then we'll have a great, diverse, urban school. People should not be so scared of change. At the same time I think if this is DCPS's solution they need to sweeten the pot somehow, perhaps with a dual language program or a Reggio ECE program.

If it's such a fantastic idea why would they need to sweeten the deal

Because people are scared of the unknown, and any incentive to get them to walk in the door is a good thing.

Please, this is our neighborhood school we're talking about. Let's not make this about scoring cheap points. The fact is that a cluster could work very well if people put aside their fears and their need to control everything.

That won't happen. Look at Watkins. A large OOB population is going to keep in-bounds families away. The reason Brent and Maury flipped is in large part because of their small size, so they didn't need a lot of buy in to create a majority IB school. By creating a Maury/Minor mega-school all you're doing is screwing in-bounds Maury families.

For the record I'm an IB Maury family and I don't think in these terms. I don't think I have a vested right in my school, and I don't think sharing resources with another neighborhood school is being "screwed." If my neighbors are so dog in the manger that they'll refuse to enroll ... well who's screwing whom?

Well then you are foolish. Your home value is absolutely tied to the fact that you are inbounds for one of the two elementary schools on the Hill that people consider to be acceptable.

DP. I think you are narrowly focused on home value, which is silly as a response to OP's hyperventilating information. The PP above you is more concerned about the stability of schooling for her children, and seems to think that sharing the resources is good for the other kids in the community.

Exactly. While I would be bummed if my housing value went down, that's a risk I knew I was taking when I bought where I did. I also think that everyone concerned about real estate would have even more of an interest in making whatever solution is put into place work. I'm not wild about the way this is being floated because the response is predictable; but I don't think there's anything magical about Maury and I think we can do fine in a cluster if everyone invests.