Question for people 50+

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How did George Wallace's relatively more insider Presidential Campaigns do by comparison with Trump's?

Under no circumstances was Wallace's campaign more "insider" than Trump's. Not even relatively more.

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Anonymous wrote:There hasn't been and you have to thank the Dems for this disaster.

OP, I'm a dem and participating and proud of it. I think you have your leader to thank for it for making no effort to unify and every effort to divide.

Just trying to put all this in some type of historical perspective

History will record the culpability of he Democratic in bringing us Trump.

History will record the culpability of those who voted for Trump in bringing us Trump

How about the Democrats going along with Hillary and her crew ramrodding the nomination through. Biden could have beaten Trump. Kasich could have beaten Hillary. But HRC vs DJT, horrible choice.

What history will show is the parties failed the voters in 2016.

She garnered millions more votes than Sanders. That's not ramrodding, genius. And Biden chose not to run because his son was dying. You have lost your damn mind.

No, you're picking apart the message to suit your partisanship. She was a defacto nominee from the gitgo with little to no opposition. Bernie Sanders got a HELL OF A LOT of votes because he wasn't HRC.

Listen buddy, first of all, HRC didn't win so I don't know why we're talking about her. It is NOT her fault that the country elected the closest thing to a tyrant that has ever held the office. And secondly, lets not act like you should all be feeling really effing guilty about your protest votes. I think we can all agree that if HRC was in office the entire world would not be protesting and we wouldn't have 15 executive orders piling up doing subsequently more horrible things and we wouldn't have egocentric speeches or the WH press secretary telling blatant falsehoods to the press core.

This is a result of the false equivocation of their badness that perpetuated the campaign season. You won so there's no reason to keep up the facade, now we can all admit it because the writing is on the wall, he was actually a MUCH worse and MUCH more dangerous candidate and that was VERY clear from day 1.

Just as I wouldn't be afraid of nuclear war if Pence was President, I wouldn't be afraid of it if HRC was President. And that is the ACTUAL bar we have to be thinking about today because our current President is an unpredictable impulsive authoritarian child.

New poster.

We're talking about her because she was the candidate of the Democratic Party faction that planted the seeds of President Trump. If you want to fight him successfully, grasp that that faction bears inordinate responsibility.

Great response pp!! Thanks!

[Anonymous]

I love that HRC was out there giving it her all, placing the Trump voters' hands on the right buttons and forcing them to comply.

Shame there was no free will involved. Oh, the shame.

It's equal parts sad and hilarious. I'm going to make some popcorn, because I have to eat something.

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How did George Wallace's relatively more insider Presidential Campaigns do by comparison with Trump's?

Under no circumstances was Wallace's campaign more "insider" than Trump's. Not even relatively more.

Lifetime politician? Publicly a member of a major party? Governor of a state that was part of a region central to that party's success for nearly 100 years? I disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that HRC was out there giving it her all, placing the Trump voters' hands on the right buttons and forcing them to comply.

Shame there was no free will involved. Oh, the shame.

It's equal parts sad and hilarious. I'm going to make some popcorn, because I have to eat something.

Another partisan. It was a minority in each party that chose HRC & DJT. Free choice to vote? Absolutely. Good choices? Absofuckinlutely not!

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Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?

The only good answer is NO.

The people making Kent State or LBJ or Nixon or Reagan or whoever out to be as big or bigger are clueless.

This is a deeper and potentially much more serious rift in the society. You have to go back to at least the 1930s of perhaps the 1860s to get as serious a fissure, one that basically involves the most entrenched in society coming under (potentially fatal for their position) attack.

One bit of intuition: the 2008 financial crisis happened, in no small measure, because basically everyone who remembered the period from the 1929 stock/property market collapse and the Great Depression, was dead by the 2003-2008 period. This current fissure is happening because no one who remembers the elite under threat in this country, which last happened in the 1930s, is alive. For better or for worse, the Trump administration represents a challenge to many of the elite sectors in society and that is what drives the most intense opposition.

All of downtown DC went up in flames during riots after MLK was asassinated. Vietnam war protests begat riots and bombings in many cities. I lived then and I live now. You're right, no comparison. Then we hsd high school friends being killed in Vietnam or working as COs or moving to Canada. Now we have people living in echo chambers crying to eachother that they didn't win what they thought was theirs. From the wayback machine...."you can't always get what you want...."

Today Politico has a survey of views on the inaguration speech. 51% thought it "optimistic." 49% thought it "excellent" or "good."

These are not the ratings it received in my echo chamber here in the DMV, but there it is.

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All of downtown DC went up in flames during riots after MLK was asassinated. Vietnam war protests begat riots and bombings in many cities. I lived then and I live now. You're right, no comparison. Then we hsd high school friends being killed in Vietnam or working as COs or moving to Canada. Now we have people living in echo chambers crying to eachother that they didn't win what they thought was theirs. From the wayback machine...."you can't always get what you want...."

Agree.

Just ask any Vietnam veteran how he was treated when he came home. Ask him what he thinks of Jane Fonda.
Kerry might not have been "swift boated" had he not thrown his fellow service members under the bus after he returned from Vietnam. He met with the enemy in Paris and maligned soldiers.

If you want to understand--check out "Kent State". There were marches all the time at colleges and they were not all peaceful. Look up William Ayers. He got a lot of attention in 2008 because he was a friend of President Obama. Ayers had been part of a group that many consider to be terrorist. The group bombed buildings. People were killed making their bombs.

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Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?

The only good answer is NO.

The people making Kent State or LBJ or Nixon or Reagan or whoever out to be as big or bigger are clueless.

This is a deeper and potentially much more serious rift in the society. You have to go back to at least the 1930s of perhaps the 1860s to get as serious a fissure, one that basically involves the most entrenched in society coming under (potentially fatal for their position) attack.

One bit of intuition: the 2008 financial crisis happened, in no small measure, because basically everyone who remembered the period from the 1929 stock/property market collapse and the Great Depression, was dead by the 2003-2008 period. This current fissure is happening because no one who remembers the elite under threat in this country, which last happened in the 1930s, is alive. For better or for worse, the Trump administration represents a challenge to many of the elite sectors in society and that is what drives the most intense opposition.

All of downtown DC went up in flames during riots after MLK was asassinated. Vietnam war protests begat riots and bombings in many cities. I lived then and I live now. You're right, no comparison. Then we hsd high school friends being killed in Vietnam or working as COs or moving to Canada. Now we have people living in echo chambers crying to eachother that they didn't win what they thought was theirs. From the wayback machine...."you can't always get what you want...."

Today Politico has a survey of views on the inaguration speech. 51% thought it "optimistic." 49% thought it "excellent" or "good."

These are not the ratings it received in my echo chamber here in the DMV, but there it is.

Additional lyrics from that song....

I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?

Where were you 8 years ago when the Tea Party resisted Obamacare?

I'm not saying I agree with them...but there were quite difficult not to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love that HRC was out there giving it her all, placing the Trump voters' hands on the right buttons and forcing them to comply.

Shame there was no free will involved. Oh, the shame.

It's equal parts sad and hilarious. I'm going to make some popcorn, because I have to eat something.

It's amazing how much power HRC has that she could do that. She must be a witch. But then why didn't she just force them to vote for her? It's a mystery.

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Anonymous wrote:There hasn't been and you have to thank the Dems for this disaster.

OP, I'm a dem and participating and proud of it. I think you have your leader to thank for it for making no effort to unify and every effort to divide.

Just trying to put all this in some type of historical perspective

History will record the culpability of he Democratic in bringing us Trump.

History will record the culpability of those who voted for Trump in bringing us Trump

How about the Democrats going along with Hillary and her crew ramrodding the nomination through. Biden could have beaten Trump. Kasich could have beaten Hillary. But HRC vs DJT, horrible choice.

What history will show is the parties failed the voters in 2016.

She garnered millions more votes than Sanders. That's not ramrodding, genius. And Biden chose not to run because his son was dying. You have lost your damn mind.

No, you're picking apart the message to suit your partisanship. She was a defacto nominee from the gitgo with little to no opposition. Bernie Sanders got a HELL OF A LOT of votes because he wasn't HRC.

Listen buddy, first of all, HRC didn't win so I don't know why we're talking about her. It is NOT her fault that the country elected the closest thing to a tyrant that has ever held the office. And secondly, lets not act like you should all be feeling really effing guilty about your protest votes. I think we can all agree that if HRC was in office the entire world would not be protesting and we wouldn't have 15 executive orders piling up doing subsequently more horrible things and we wouldn't have egocentric speeches or the WH press secretary telling blatant falsehoods to the press core.

This is a result of the false equivocation of their badness that perpetuated the campaign season. You won so there's no reason to keep up the facade, now we can all admit it because the writing is on the wall, he was actually a MUCH worse and MUCH more dangerous candidate and that was VERY clear from day 1.

Just as I wouldn't be afraid of nuclear war if Pence was President, I wouldn't be afraid of it if HRC was President. And that is the ACTUAL bar we have to be thinking about today because our current President is an unpredictable impulsive authoritarian child.

New poster.

We're talking about her because she was the candidate of the Democratic Party faction that planted the seeds of President Trump. If you want to fight him successfully, grasp that that faction bears inordinate responsibility.

Great response pp!! Thanks!

I disagree.

The seeds were planted by Obama, and many voters opposed Hillary because they didn't want an Obama third term

It's all pretty obvious when you pay attention to a simple fact: 65% Americans said we were on the wrong track under Obama.

[Anonymous]

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All of downtown DC went up in flames during riots after MLK was asassinated. Vietnam war protests begat riots and bombings in many cities. I lived then and I live now. You're right, no comparison. Then we hsd high school friends being killed in Vietnam or working as COs or moving to Canada. Now we have people living in echo chambers crying to eachother that they didn't win what they thought was theirs. From the wayback machine...."you can't always get what you want...."

Agree.

Just ask any Vietnam veteran how he was treated when he came home. Ask him what he thinks of Jane Fonda.
Kerry might not have been "swift boated" had he not thrown his fellow service members under the bus after he returned from Vietnam. He met with the enemy in Paris and maligned soldiers.

If you want to understand--check out "Kent State". There were marches all the time at colleges and they were not all peaceful. Look up William Ayers. He got a lot of attention in 2008 because he was a friend of President Obama. Ayers had been part of a group that many consider to be terrorist. The group bombed buildings. People were killed making their bombs.

Also, look up the Selma march, the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing, Emmet Till, the Central High School integration in Little Rock, the Freedom Rides, and the Greensboro lunch counter protests.

The 50s and early 60s were extremely chaotic times for anyone who cared about civil rights.

[Anonymous]

The 50s and early 60s were extremely chaotic times for anyone who cared about civil rights.

Agree--but the demonstrations then were not so much against the President as the Vietnam protests were.

And, the Civil Rights protesters were not violent. They may have met violence--but the protesters were peaceful.

Vietnam protesters were not always peaceful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?

The only good answer is NO.

The people making Kent State or LBJ or Nixon or Reagan or whoever out to be as big or bigger are clueless.

This is a deeper and potentially much more serious rift in the society. You have to go back to at least the 1930s of perhaps the 1860s to get as serious a fissure, one that basically involves the most entrenched in society coming under (potentially fatal for their position) attack.

One bit of intuition: the 2008 financial crisis happened, in no small measure, because basically everyone who remembered the period from the 1929 stock/property market collapse and the Great Depression, was dead by the 2003-2008 period. This current fissure is happening because no one who remembers the elite under threat in this country, which last happened in the 1930s, is alive. For better or for worse, the Trump administration represents a challenge to many of the elite sectors in society and that is what drives the most intense opposition.

All of downtown DC went up in flames during riots after MLK was asassinated. Vietnam war protests begat riots and bombings in many cities. I lived then and I live now. You're right, no comparison. Then we hsd high school friends being killed in Vietnam or working as COs or moving to Canada. Now we have people living in echo chambers crying to eachother that they didn't win what they thought was theirs. From the wayback machine...."you can't always get what you want...."

Today Politico has a survey of views on the inaguration speech. 51% thought it "optimistic." 49% thought it "excellent" or "good."

These are not the ratings it received in my echo chamber here in the DMV, but there it is.

That's because if we've learned nothing else, we now know that Trumpsters are dumb as shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that HRC was out there giving it her all, placing the Trump voters' hands on the right buttons and forcing them to comply.

Shame there was no free will involved. Oh, the shame.

It's equal parts sad and hilarious. I'm going to make some popcorn, because I have to eat something.

It's amazing how much power HRC has that she could do that. She must be a witch. But then why didn't she just force them to vote for her? It's a mystery.

If only Hillary had made sure to have all the illegals vote in WISCONSIN. A grave miscalculation.