New USNEWS Rankings - Virginia back in the Top 25!

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UChicago is no different than HYPS anymore; full of hyper-aggressive upper middle class kids. It's not the quirky bookworm place it was even 10 years ago.

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I think both demographics (quirky bookworms, hyper aggressive UMC kids) are well/over-represented at U of C. And academics are the center of gravity there, which is less true for Harvard undergrads. The Core attracts a certain kind of kid.

But then I think HYPS are all different from each other, so maybe it depends on your level in of abstraction. My own kid visited 4 of the 5 (had no interest in the other) and had very different impressions of each. As did her friends.

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Anonymous wrote:I think both demographics (quirky bookworms, hyper aggressive UMC kids) are well/over-represented at U of C. And academics are the center of gravity there, which is less true for Harvard undergrads. The Core attracts a certain kind of kid.

But then I think HYPS are all different from each other, so maybe it depends on your level in of abstraction. My own kid visited 4 of the 5 (had no interest in the other) and had very different impressions of each. As did her friends.

I'm telling you kids these days don't care about 'the Core' they just bullshit that they do in essays. The gunners targeting top 10 colleges apply to all of them and attend the highest ranked one they get into.

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Not true of the kids I know who are going to U of C. Maybe we just know different kinds of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:UVa is a good deal for in-state students and a good university. It's reputation doesn't travel well outside the Northeast and academic circles, though.

UVA is known throughout the county. It's not a regional university.

It has about the same name recognition as other state flagship universities. The rest of the country wouldn't rank UVa in front of NYU or Michigan. It wouldn't even occur to put UVa on the same list. It's reputation is more like Florida or Texas or Illinois. Good, but not top 25.

Ignore this troll. UVA is a Top 25 school and consistently rated as the best public school outside of California. It's not as big as Michigan and it doesn't have a notable reputation in football like Michigan, so, yeah, Michigan has bigger name recognition among Trump voters. In the professional class, UVA is an Elite school most well known on the East Coast, but the USNEWS ranking is not accident.

Nobody said that UVa wasn't a good school or that it didn't deserve it's ranking. But it doesn't have much brand appeal outside the Northeast, unless your kid is planning on going into a graduate or professional program. A hiring manager in California in Seattle or Chicago or Dallas would rather hire someone from ASU or Texas A&M.

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Anonymous wrote:UVa is a good deal for in-state students and a good university. It's reputation doesn't travel well outside the Northeast and academic circles, though.

UVA is known throughout the county. It's not a regional university.

It has about the same name recognition as other state flagship universities. The rest of the country wouldn't rank UVa in front of NYU or Michigan. It wouldn't even occur to put UVa on the same list. It's reputation is more like Florida or Texas or Illinois. Good, but not top 25.

Ignore this troll. UVA is a Top 25 school and consistently rated as the best public school outside of California. It's not as big as Michigan and it doesn't have a notable reputation in football like Michigan, so, yeah, Michigan has bigger name recognition among Trump voters. In the professional class, UVA is an Elite school most well known on the East Coast, but the USNEWS ranking is not accident.

Nobody said that UVa wasn't a good school or that it didn't deserve it's ranking. But it doesn't have much brand appeal outside the Northeast, unless your kid is planning on going into a graduate or professional program. A hiring manager in California in Seattle or Chicago or Dallas would rather hire someone from ASU or Texas A&M.

Exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:UVa is a good deal for in-state students and a good university. It's reputation doesn't travel well outside the Northeast and academic circles, though.

UVA is known throughout the county. It's not a regional university.

It has about the same name recognition as other state flagship universities. The rest of the country wouldn't rank UVa in front of NYU or Michigan. It wouldn't even occur to put UVa on the same list. It's reputation is more like Florida or Texas or Illinois. Good, but not top 25.

Ignore this troll. UVA is a Top 25 school and consistently rated as the best public school outside of California. It's not as big as Michigan and it doesn't have a notable reputation in football like Michigan, so, yeah, Michigan has bigger name recognition among Trump voters. In the professional class, UVA is an Elite school most well known on the East Coast, but the USNEWS ranking is not accident.

Nobody said that UVa wasn't a good school or that it didn't deserve it's ranking. But it doesn't have much brand appeal outside the Northeast, unless your kid is planning on going into a graduate or professional program. A hiring manager in California in Seattle or Chicago or Dallas would rather hire someone from ASU or Texas A&M.

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Anonymous wrote:UVa is a good deal for in-state students and a good university. It's reputation doesn't travel well outside the Northeast and academic circles, though.

UVA is known throughout the county. It's not a regional university.

It has about the same name recognition as other state flagship universities. The rest of the country wouldn't rank UVa in front of NYU or Michigan. It wouldn't even occur to put UVa on the same list. It's reputation is more like Florida or Texas or Illinois. Good, but not top 25.

Ignore this troll. UVA is a Top 25 school and consistently rated as the best public school outside of California. It's not as big as Michigan and it doesn't have a notable reputation in football like Michigan, so, yeah, Michigan has bigger name recognition among Trump voters. In the professional class, UVA is an Elite school most well known on the East Coast, but the USNEWS ranking is not accident.

Nobody said that UVa wasn't a good school or that it didn't deserve it's ranking. But it doesn't have much brand appeal outside the Northeast, unless your kid is planning on going into a graduate or professional program. A hiring manager in California in Seattle or Chicago or Dallas would rather hire someone from ASU or Texas A&M.

I wonder how many data points this troll used in arriving at the conclusion re hiring managers.

[Anonymous]

I really wish UVA had waited until next year to be in this spot.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone predicted UChicago would go to #3. They're gunning for #1. I believe they were #1 back 80-100 years ago.

Pretty impressive, especially given the location of UC in the south side of Chicago.

U of Chicago is gaming the system like no other. It's pretty shameless.

If you understand the math and methodology, you'd know how difficult it is to "game" the system- unless you use "gaming" in the sense of investing in resources. For example, some think schools "game" the system by encouraging applications so that the "acceptance" rate will decrease. In fact, acceptance rate is .0125 (1.25%) of the total ranking.

It's actually pretty easy and just takes dedication from the top. Here's a good article on what can be done: http://college-advisor.com/articles/fudging.html

Not only is that a 12 year old blog post, it is silly at best. The first two steps to "game" the system impact 1.25% of the ranking. Complains about using SAT scores as a measure of student quality (about 8%)- is that really easy to game? Complains about spending money on facilities and faculty - wouldn't want to do that, eh?

There is a lot of truth in that article however old it is. So many schools post an "average" SAT score of 2310. OOKKK. I believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish UVA had waited until next year to be in this spot.

Didn't it move ONE spot? How does this change anything?

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish UVA had waited until next year to be in this spot.

Didn't it move ONE spot? How does this change anything?

Top 25 has a better ring to it than Top 26, though I'd go with best public university outside California or #3 public university in the nation.

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Not much research going on at UVa which is one of main objectives of the Unis.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish UVA had waited until next year to be in this spot.

Didn't it move ONE spot? How does this change anything?

Top 25 has a better ring to it than Top 26, though I'd go with best public university outside California or #3 public university in the nation.

Say top 50.

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Anonymous wrote:I think both demographics (quirky bookworms, hyper aggressive UMC kids) are well/over-represented at U of C. And academics are the center of gravity there, which is less true for Harvard undergrads. The Core attracts a certain kind of kid.

But then I think HYPS are all different from each other, so maybe it depends on your level in of abstraction. My own kid visited 4 of the 5 (had no interest in the other) and had very different impressions of each. As did her friends.

I'm telling you kids these days don't care about 'the Core' they just bullshit that they do in essays. The gunners targeting top 10 colleges apply to all of them and attend the highest ranked one they get into.

My experience as well. The smartest kids are great liars and schmoozers.