Falls Church mosque - Route 7

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:51, I believe the Bible is full of horrible statements, too.

PP have YOU read the entire Bible and the entire Koran? How could you make any comparison otherwise? The old testament is chock full of crazy stuff (see my favorite 2 Kings 2:23), but people IGNORE it. That is the fundamental difference.

I feel like we have had this argument 100 times, but you are simply wrong. Christians who believe that homosexuality is wrong justify their belief on Old Testament verses. Clearly, not everyone ignores the Old Testament. The Quran is interpreted in various ways. Understanding how it is understood in daily life requires more than just reading it, just as is true with the Bible.

Yes but Jeff, let's get serious here.

Christians who are against homosexuality follow two basic groups: the "pray the gay out of them" who are compassionate towards them but generally worry that if they stay gay tjey will miss out on God's salvation and heaven and the fire and brimstone anti gays, who are very angry as they are about all of everyone else's sins, but they are all words and little action except in how they vote and who theh associate with. And even at their angriest and most extreme they do not go around throwing gays off tall buildings.

And yet many muslims in the middle east including many clerics are A Okay with torturing gays and executing them for sport in dreadful ways because "Allah says so"

Comparing the most radical evangelical southern Baptist minister's views and more importantly actions on gays to any number of muslim clerics is not even possible.

The actions towards gays by many of the islamic faith in that part of the world makes anti gay Christian pastors seem like thaley are wrapped in a rainbow cloak.

There is zero comparison of the two and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In that neighborhood, the mosque isn't the scary part, it's the surrounding neighborhood of Culmore.

Sorry, I would rather have a Hispanic construction worker whistle at me at the 7-11 than have a crazed terrorist drive a bomb laden car into my path.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:51, I believe the Bible is full of horrible statements, too.

PP have YOU read the entire Bible and the entire Koran? How could you make any comparison otherwise? The old testament is chock full of crazy stuff (see my favorite 2 Kings 2:23), but people IGNORE it. That is the fundamental difference.

I feel like we have had this argument 100 times, but you are simply wrong. Christians who believe that homosexuality is wrong justify their belief on Old Testament verses. Clearly, not everyone ignores the Old Testament. The Quran is interpreted in various ways. Understanding how it is understood in daily life requires more than just reading it, just as is true with the Bible.

Yes but Jeff, let's get serious here.

Christians who are against homosexuality follow two basic groups: the "pray the gay out of them" who are compassionate towards them but generally worry that if they stay gay tjey will miss out on God's salvation and heaven and the fire and brimstone anti gays, who are very angry as they are about all of everyone else's sins, but they are all words and little action except in how they vote and who theh associate with. And even at their angriest and most extreme they do not go around throwing gays off tall buildings.

And yet many muslims in the middle east including many clerics are A Okay with torturing gays and executing them for sport in dreadful ways because "Allah says so"

Comparing the most radical evangelical southern Baptist minister's views and more importantly actions on gays to any number of muslim clerics is not even possible.

The actions towards gays by many of the islamic faith in that part of the world makes anti gay Christian pastors seem like thaley are wrapped in a rainbow cloak.

There is zero comparison of the two and you know it.

Yup. Amen brother (or sister) or itster.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:51, I believe the Bible is full of horrible statements, too.

PP have YOU read the entire Bible and the entire Koran? How could you make any comparison otherwise? The old testament is chock full of crazy stuff (see my favorite 2 Kings 2:23), but people IGNORE it. That is the fundamental difference.

I feel like we have had this argument 100 times, but you are simply wrong. Christians who believe that homosexuality is wrong justify their belief on Old Testament verses. Clearly, not everyone ignores the Old Testament. The Quran is interpreted in various ways. Understanding how it is understood in daily life requires more than just reading it, just as is true with the Bible.

Yes but Jeff, let's get serious here.

Christians who are against homosexuality follow two basic groups: the "pray the gay out of them" who are compassionate towards them but generally worry that if they stay gay tjey will miss out on God's salvation and heaven and the fire and brimstone anti gays, who are very angry as they are about all of everyone else's sins, but they are all words and little action except in how they vote and who theh associate with. And even at their angriest and most extreme they do not go around throwing gays off tall buildings.

And yet many muslims in the middle east including many clerics are A Okay with torturing gays and executing them for sport in dreadful ways because "Allah says so"

Comparing the most radical evangelical southern Baptist minister's views and more importantly actions on gays to any number of muslim clerics is not even possible.

The actions towards gays by many of the islamic faith in that part of the world makes anti gay Christian pastors seem like thaley are wrapped in a rainbow cloak.

There is zero comparison of the two and you know it.

You are missing the point completely. I'm not debating the positions of various religions towards homosexuality, but only the point of whether the Old Testament is ignored by today's Christians. This thread is about the Falls Church mosque. Do you have any evidence that those who pray at that mosque want to kill gays or even oppose them? One of the most anti-gay countries in the world is Uganda which is Christian and whose anti-gay laws were supported by American Christians.

You guys love to take the worst examples of Muslims and tarnish all Muslims with them. I wouldn't mind if you treated other religions the same way, but you don't. Posters here are convinced that the mosque is full of terrorists who hold the worst of beliefs without having set foot in the mosque or talking to a single person associated with it. That ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I have NEVER gone to my local Catholic church in DC and heard messages from the old Testament about killing gays from the priest. Never. Usually, what is cited is the gospel of John AKA the Gospel of love. Many Xstian denominations embrance gays, The Pope has made so many move towards embracing. Totally the opposite of pushing off a cliff.
Where are Xtsians killing 50+ people a week? Disembowling? Putting out eyes?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I have NEVER gone to my local Catholic church in DC and heard messages from the old Testament about killing gays from the priest. Never. Usually, what is cited is the gospel of John AKA the Gospel of love. Many Xstian denominations embrance gays, The Pope has made so many move towards embracing. Totally the opposite of pushing off a cliff.
Where are Xtsians killing 50+ people a week? Disembowling? Putting out eyes?

Again, you don't get it. The vast majority of Muslims -- especially in America -- also never hear message about killing gays when they go to the Mosque. Most of those 50 you keep bringing up are other Muslims. Trying to blame their own religions for their deaths doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is it that you can distinguish between different groups of Christians, but can't do the same with Muslims?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have NEVER gone to my local Catholic church in DC and heard messages from the old Testament about killing gays from the priest. Never. Usually, what is cited is the gospel of John AKA the Gospel of love. Many Xstian denominations embrance gays, The Pope has made so many move towards embracing. Totally the opposite of pushing off a cliff.
Where are Xtsians killing 50+ people a week? Disembowling? Putting out eyes?

Again, you don't get it. The vast majority of Muslims -- especially in America -- also never hear message about killing gays when they go to the Mosque. Most of those 50 you keep bringing up are other Muslims. Trying to blame their own religions for their deaths doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is it that you can distinguish between different groups of Christians, but can't do the same with Muslims?

Then condemn it. Condemn it.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have NEVER gone to my local Catholic church in DC and heard messages from the old Testament about killing gays from the priest. Never. Usually, what is cited is the gospel of John AKA the Gospel of love. Many Xstian denominations embrance gays, The Pope has made so many move towards embracing. Totally the opposite of pushing off a cliff.
Where are Xtsians killing 50+ people a week? Disembowling? Putting out eyes?

Again, you don't get it. The vast majority of Muslims -- especially in America -- also never hear message about killing gays when they go to the Mosque. Most of those 50 you keep bringing up are other Muslims. Trying to blame their own religions for their deaths doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is it that you can distinguish between different groups of Christians, but can't do the same with Muslims?

How many Mosques have you been to? How often do you attend? Which Muslim "groups" do you have experience with? I've only been into the one on Mass Ave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but this area scares me because of its history and because of everything going on in the world. I don't support a "muslim" test (Newt's idea) any more than I support a "fat old white man" test, but current events are making it harder to ignore homegrown radicalization and an interest in terrorist acts.
I actually blame Bush and Cheney for destabilizing Iraq and making the world hate us. I blame McCain for the Trump situation by introducing the Palin effect.

It's also harder to ignore that we live in a country where you can buy a gun like a piece of candy . Typical attack of the symptom and not the problem . Go climb a rock

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cops aren't at my episcopal church on Palm Sunday when we process from one location to another, crossing a busy street without a traffic light. They aren't at the Catholic church in my neighborhood on Easter. They aren't at the Mormon church in Alexandria on their holy days.
Not saying it's because of radicalization, but it's certainly not just to escort people across a street that has a streetlight to stop traffic.

Cops are at McLean Bible on Sundays and holidays. Evangelical. So, I suppose that church is a hot bed of radicalized religion too (go Lon Solomon!).

Hmm . . . McLean Bible is on Route 7 too . . . Highway to Hell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cops aren't at my episcopal church on Palm Sunday when we process from one location to another, crossing a busy street without a traffic light. They aren't at the Catholic church in my neighborhood on Easter. They aren't at the Mormon church in Alexandria on their holy days.
Not saying it's because of radicalization, but it's certainly not just to escort people across a street that has a streetlight to stop traffic.

Cops are always at the big DC synagogues for big events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cops aren't at my episcopal church on Palm Sunday when we process from one location to another, crossing a busy street without a traffic light. They aren't at the Catholic church in my neighborhood on Easter. They aren't at the Mormon church in Alexandria on their holy days.
Not saying it's because of radicalization, but it's certainly not just to escort people across a street that has a streetlight to stop traffic.

It actually is to get the people across safely. The police officers override the normal operation of the traffic lights to efficiently get the people across. When large numbers are crossing, they change the lights, allow them to cross and change the lights back. The normal length of time for the crosswalk lights isn't enough. The police officers are able to strike a balance between getting people across in a timely, efficient manner, and moving the traffic along. Route 7 has very heavy traffic pretty much all the time, so having the police officers there makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cops aren't at my episcopal church on Palm Sunday when we process from one location to another, crossing a busy street without a traffic light. They aren't at the Catholic church in my neighborhood on Easter. They aren't at the Mormon church in Alexandria on their holy days.
Not saying it's because of radicalization, but it's certainly not just to escort people across a street that has a streetlight to stop traffic.

Cops are always at the big DC synagogues for big events.

In VA also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cops aren't at my episcopal church on Palm Sunday when we process from one location to another, crossing a busy street without a traffic light. They aren't at the Catholic church in my neighborhood on Easter. They aren't at the Mormon church in Alexandria on their holy days.
Not saying it's because of radicalization, but it's certainly not just to escort people across a street that has a streetlight to stop traffic.

Cops are always at the big DC synagogues for big events.

In VA also.

At out synagogue in Maryland, we have two cops for the holidays. One is a Montgomery County on-duty police officer, who directs traffic (and I have no idea is he is paid). The other is an former cop, now a security guard, whom we hire to protect the synagogue and it's occupants (and we do pay him).

FWIW, we have been hiring the cops for decades - certainly before 9/11 and the "age of terrorism." That's because we would come out of services to find our cars littered with flyers about how we were going to hell unless we accepted Jesus. While not vandalism (or worse), it was irritating and most definitely appreciated. (I suspect it was evangelical Christians, but I suppose that's a topic for another thread.)

[Anonymous]

All of the comments about presence of cops at other denominations' locations is likely accurate. But I doubt the reason behind their presence is the same. This mosque has a history that can't be ignored. It would be nice to think that Muslims in America feel the same way about western lifestyle as other denominations but it doesn't seem to be true. Look at recent events. Does this mosque decry sharia law? I hope this mosque doesn't start Friday prayers with a statement about hurting non Muslims. Wouldn't it be nice to know.