Let's talk about the lower performing schools in FFX

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 2 to W&M and 7 to UVA-- that's sobering.

It's hard to say whether it's sobering or not. There are other high schools that routinely send over a dozen grads to W&M and over 30 to U. Va. Clearly Edison isn't attracting as many top-achieving kids as other schools - we all knew that already - but it still leaves open the question whether a particular child does any better (greater chance of admission with the same stats) or worse (unlikely to end up with as good stats as students elsewhere) at Edison than at other schools.

Edison is a lot smaller than most of the other high schools in the county - according to this PDF http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2015-16%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf they had 1,934 students in 2015-2016. The only smaller schools were Falls Church and Lee (and TJ). Proportionally they still send fewer than the other top HS to W&M and UVA but you can't directly compare their numbers to the bigger schools like Lake Braddock.

Looks like your chances to go would be high then! UVA is only going to take but so many kids from 1 HS. Also, maybe kids got in but couldn't afford it. Edison is not in a very high socioeconomic area. This would not sway me for choosing Edison for my child.

But that's the issue. Edison appears to send few kids to U. Va. and W&M on both an absolute and a proportionate basis. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

based on another thread on the College topics (DCUM), it may be that UVA is too "preppy" and stuffy for kids at Edison and maybe they choose to go elsewhere. The kids who got into MIT/Stanford and other higher end schools probably had uva as an option.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 2 to W&M and 7 to UVA-- that's sobering.

It's hard to say whether it's sobering or not. There are other high schools that routinely send over a dozen grads to W&M and over 30 to U. Va. Clearly Edison isn't attracting as many top-achieving kids as other schools - we all knew that already - but it still leaves open the question whether a particular child does any better (greater chance of admission with the same stats) or worse (unlikely to end up with as good stats as students elsewhere) at Edison than at other schools.

Edison is a lot smaller than most of the other high schools in the county - according to this PDF http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2015-16%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf they had 1,934 students in 2015-2016. The only smaller schools were Falls Church and Lee (and TJ). Proportionally they still send fewer than the other top HS to W&M and UVA but you can't directly compare their numbers to the bigger schools like Lake Braddock.

Looks like your chances to go would be high then! UVA is only going to take but so many kids from 1 HS. Also, maybe kids got in but couldn't afford it. Edison is not in a very high socioeconomic area. This would not sway me for choosing Edison for my child.

But that's the issue. Edison appears to send few kids to U. Va. and W&M on both an absolute and a proportionate basis. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

based on another thread on the College topics (DCUM), it may be that UVA is too "preppy" and stuffy for kids at Edison and maybe they choose to go elsewhere. The kids who got into MIT/Stanford and other higher end schools probably had uva as an option.

I'm sure all 3 kids at Edison who went to "high end" schools also had UVA as an option. But let's face it: Edison is not in a wealthy area of the county. Not tons of parents paying for private. A look at the list of where kids are going shows lots of Tier 2 and Tier 3 in state school and community college. Very, very few kids at selective privates. And I don't think many kids who get into W&M are choosing CNU & GMU & NOVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 2 to W&M and 7 to UVA-- that's sobering.

It's hard to say whether it's sobering or not. There are other high schools that routinely send over a dozen grads to W&M and over 30 to U. Va. Clearly Edison isn't attracting as many top-achieving kids as other schools - we all knew that already - but it still leaves open the question whether a particular child does any better (greater chance of admission with the same stats) or worse (unlikely to end up with as good stats as students elsewhere) at Edison than at other schools.

Edison is a lot smaller than most of the other high schools in the county - according to this PDF http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2015-16%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf they had 1,934 students in 2015-2016. The only smaller schools were Falls Church and Lee (and TJ). Proportionally they still send fewer than the other top HS to W&M and UVA but you can't directly compare their numbers to the bigger schools like Lake Braddock.

Looks like your chances to go would be high then! UVA is only going to take but so many kids from 1 HS. Also, maybe kids got in but couldn't afford it. Edison is not in a very high socioeconomic area. This would not sway me for choosing Edison for my child.

But that's the issue. Edison appears to send few kids to U. Va. and W&M on both an absolute and a proportionate basis. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

Other than working in admissions at 2 different universities, no. I never worked at UVA but I am aware of how admissions work. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials do not benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 2 to W&M and 7 to UVA-- that's sobering.

It's hard to say whether it's sobering or not. There are other high schools that routinely send over a dozen grads to W&M and over 30 to U. Va. Clearly Edison isn't attracting as many top-achieving kids as other schools - we all knew that already - but it still leaves open the question whether a particular child does any better (greater chance of admission with the same stats) or worse (unlikely to end up with as good stats as students elsewhere) at Edison than at other schools.

Edison is a lot smaller than most of the other high schools in the county - according to this PDF http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2015-16%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf they had 1,934 students in 2015-2016. The only smaller schools were Falls Church and Lee (and TJ). Proportionally they still send fewer than the other top HS to W&M and UVA but you can't directly compare their numbers to the bigger schools like Lake Braddock.

Looks like your chances to go would be high then! UVA is only going to take but so many kids from 1 HS. Also, maybe kids got in but couldn't afford it. Edison is not in a very high socioeconomic area. This would not sway me for choosing Edison for my child.

But that's the issue. Edison appears to send few kids to U. Va. and W&M on both an absolute and a proportionate basis. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

Other than working in admissions at 2 different universities, no. I never worked at UVA but I am aware of how admissions work. Do you have any actual evidence that students with similar credentials do not benefit from attending Edison, due to admissions quotas for other schools?

The burden of proof is on you, since (1) you offered up the hypothesis that attending a lower-ranked school was an advantage and (2) the college lists in the Edison newspaper don't support it.

[Anonymous]

No bathrooms or running water at my kids' ES either, and they have more than 10 of them. My understanding is modulars may have bathrooms and water, but FCPS trailers do not. If this is wrong, I'd be curious which FCPS schools have trailers with these amenities. The kids have to take a buddy into the building if they have an emergency need for the bathroom. Otherwise they have to wait and go as a class when they go in for specials or lunch.

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Have heard great things from parents and teachers about Parklawn ES in 22312. In the Annandale pyramid.

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Anonymous wrote:Have heard great things from parents and teachers about Parklawn ES in 22312. In the Annandale pyramid.

Parklawn is in the Stuart pyramid. A small part of the district near Lincolnia feeds into Holmes/Annandale.

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Anonymous wrote:Have heard great things from parents and teachers about Parklawn ES in 22312. In the Annandale pyramid.

Parklawn is in the Stuart pyramid. A small part of the district near Lincolnia feeds into Holmes/Annandale.

Does anyone here have a student at Parklawn currently? How is the principal, the school? I always see nice houses for sale in this area but wonder if the families go to privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Have heard great things from parents and teachers about Parklawn ES in 22312. In the Annandale pyramid.

Parklawn is in the Stuart pyramid. A small part of the district near Lincolnia feeds into Holmes/Annandale.

Does anyone here have a student at Parklawn currently? How is the principal, the school? I always see nice houses for sale in this area but wonder if the families go to privates.

Parklawn is a lovely, lovely school. Its student population is really interesting in that while it does have poverty issues, there are a lot of students from quite literally all over the world. They have a very, very high ESOL population. It's a well run school and I say as a white family who sends our kids there, we feel like it's very, very inclusive to everyone, including my kids. There is a push to create local level IV AAP classes there, fyi.

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I miss the days when Fairfax county was almost entirely middle class. All of this added multi family housing has really ruined the county. So much poverty. It will never be the school system it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss the days when Fairfax county was almost entirely middle class. All of this added multi family housing has really ruined the county. So much poverty. It will never be the school system it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss the days when Fairfax county was almost entirely middle class. All of this added multi family housing has really ruined the county. So much poverty. It will never be the school system it once was.

What you meant to say is you miss when Fairfax was all white with a few token brown people. Just admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have heard great things from parents and teachers about Parklawn ES in 22312. In the Annandale pyramid.

Parklawn is in the Stuart pyramid. A small part of the district near Lincolnia feeds into Holmes/Annandale.

Does anyone here have a student at Parklawn currently? How is the principal, the school? I always see nice houses for sale in this area but wonder if the families go to privates.

Parklawn is a lovely, lovely school. Its student population is really interesting in that while it does have poverty issues, there are a lot of students from quite literally all over the world. They have a very, very high ESOL population. It's a well run school and I say as a white family who sends our kids there, we feel like it's very, very inclusive to everyone, including my kids. There is a push to create local level IV AAP classes there, fyi.

I'd feel they'd have to add more AP classes. I feel sending my student there with a lot of ESOL students would hinder her learning. My DC is pretty advanced for their age so I'd rather they be somewhere where AP classes are offered right away. We will visit the school, but if I don't like it I'll go private until they can get into Belvedere Elementary School

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Anonymous wrote:I miss the days when Fairfax county was almost entirely middle class. All of this added multi family housing has really ruined the county. So much poverty. It will never be the school system it once was.

What you meant to say is you miss when Fairfax was all white with a few token brown people. Just admit it.

Not PP but I would venture to say that "brown people" are a minority in many FFX County, not much higher percentage wise than white. The above school referenced (Parklawn) actually has far more other races (Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern) than black or white. FFX County Schools allowing undocumented ESOL kids in the school system is what brought "down" the county schools, not race.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss the days when Fairfax county was almost entirely middle class. All of this added multi family housing has really ruined the county. So much poverty. It will never be the school system it once was.

What you meant to say is you miss when Fairfax was all white with a few token brown people. Just admit it.

Not PP but I would venture to say that "brown people" are a minority in many FFX County, not much higher percentage wise than white. The above school referenced (Parklawn) actually has far more other races (Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern) than black or white. FFX County Schools allowing undocumented ESOL kids in the school system is what brought "down" the county schools, not race.

regardless, they're not white, and that's what PP meant.