Racist Matt Damon, typical Liberal hypocrite

[Anonymous]

I think you put it very well. It IS weird and tone deaf for Damon to explain diversity to Effie Brown. It just illustrates how even liberals and well-meaning white people can be biased without even realizing it.

+1 For sure.

Let's get one thing straight about diversity.

Diversity DOESN'T exclude whites. In fact, it INCLUDES all people and emphasizes an appreciation of differences. A school that's 95% African American (excluding those from African nations) is NOT diverse.

What Matt is saying is something anti-Affirmative Action folks have been saying for a long time - that we hire THE BEST person for the job. Now, that doesn't mean that we shut out minorities. In fact, in a truly diverse environment, we take time to learn about different perspectives. Sadly, this will never come to be until people feel free about expressing their true beliefs in a constructive way.

But now that everything is so PC, what's said on the outside is not what's necessarily truly believed in the heart.

[Anonymous]

OP, when a white guy presumes to tell a black woman what diversity is and what the right way to achieve it in a film is, the black woman does not owe that guy anything. Especially when she is outnumbered in the conversation by about 10-1. White people need to examine their privilege and get a clue.

Sincerely,
another white woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think you put it very well. It IS weird and tone deaf for Damon to explain diversity to Effie Brown. It just illustrates how even liberals and well-meaning white people can be biased without even realizing it.

+1 For sure.

Let's get one thing straight about diversity.

Diversity DOESN'T exclude whites. In fact, it INCLUDES all people and emphasizes an appreciation of differences. A school that's 95% African American (excluding those from African nations) is NOT diverse.

What Matt is saying is something anti-Affirmative Action folks have been saying for a long time - that we hire THE BEST person for the job. Now, that doesn't mean that we shut out minorities. In fact, in a truly diverse environment, we take time to learn about different perspectives. Sadly, this will never come to be until people feel free about expressing their true beliefs in a constructive way.

But now that everything is so PC, what's said on the outside is not what's necessarily truly believed in the heart.

Actually what Matt seemed to be saying was that you achieve diversity in this film by hiring black people for the black parts.

Pro tip: That's not really how you achieve diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

i'm curious. are you a woman?what exactly made her seem a bit difficult? how should she have reacted?

Agreed.

I wrote this original post. I am a woman.

She did not give Matt the benefit of the doubt. She went right into - you're a racist and I'm showing everyone with my facial expressions and body language that I think you're a racist. Without her reaction, I bet there's no story.

I think he was speaking clumsily and could have been more articulate. But instead of her talking it out and assuming the best, she just went right there.

So to me, she was a bit difficult. I think she could have asked him some more questions about what he was thinking to clarify. And then if that didn't lead anywhere good, agree to disagree civilly. No "Oh wow." He'll hang himself if it's going to go there.

We have to show a certain level of body language and response when having a dialogue with white people. She never called him a racist. Ever. He was so damn disrespectful to her, cutting her off and explaining what diversity means. If being genuinely taken aback at how someone responds to your point and saying "Oh Wow" makes her seem "a bit difficult" then then bar of what makes an angry black woman is even lower than I thought. She went "right there". Such BS. How much more civil?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

i'm curious. are you a woman?what exactly made her seem a bit difficult? how should she have reacted?

Agreed.

I wrote this original post. I am a woman.

She did not give Matt the benefit of the doubt. She went right into - you're a racist and I'm showing everyone with my facial expressions and body language that I think you're a racist. Without her reaction, I bet there's no story.

I think he was speaking clumsily and could have been more articulate. But instead of her talking it out and assuming the best, she just went right there.

So to me, she was a bit difficult. I think she could have asked him some more questions about what he was thinking to clarify. And then if that didn't lead anywhere good, agree to disagree civilly. No "Oh wow." He'll hang himself if it's going to go there.

We have to show a certain level of body language and response when having a dialogue with white people. She never called him a racist. Ever. He was so damn disrespectful to her, cutting her off and explaining what diversity means. If being genuinely taken aback at how someone responds to your point and saying "Oh Wow" makes her seem "a bit difficult" then then bar of what makes an angry black woman is even lower than I thought. She went "right there". Such BS. How much more civil?

His mannerisms reflect a male-dominated society. I'm sure you know the studies - the differences in communication styles and patterns btw men and women. a big part of the problem

I don't think his point was wrong necessarily. His approach was, however.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think you put it very well. It IS weird and tone deaf for Damon to explain diversity to Effie Brown. It just illustrates how even liberals and well-meaning white people can be biased without even realizing it.

+1 For sure.

Let's get one thing straight about diversity.

Diversity DOESN'T exclude whites. In fact, it INCLUDES all people and emphasizes an appreciation of differences. A school that's 95% African American (excluding those from African nations) is NOT diverse.

What Matt is saying is something anti-Affirmative Action folks have been saying for a long time - that we hire THE BEST person for the job. Now, that doesn't mean that we shut out minorities. In fact, in a truly diverse environment, we take time to learn about different perspectives. Sadly, this will never come to be until people feel free about expressing their true beliefs in a constructive way.

But now that everything is so PC, what's said on the outside is not what's necessarily truly believed in the heart.

Actually what Matt seemed to be saying was that you achieve diversity in this film by hiring black people for the black parts.

Pro tip: That's not really how you achieve diversity.

Pro tip, my ass

Many SMART Libs are the WORST racists out there. You want the truth? Back them into a corner and see how they'll react. It's all a cover, and I say this as a white female.

You can't cure cancer w/o finding its origin.

Stop being dense, Amateur Tip.

[Anonymous]

It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

If you truly believe that, you need to move to a majority-black country.

Your choice.

But if you stay in the USA, perhaps you need to stop being completely oblivious to your own BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, when a white guy presumes to tell a black woman what diversity is and what the right way to achieve it in a film is, the black woman does not owe that guy anything. Especially when she is outnumbered in the conversation by about 10-1. White people need to examine their privilege and get a clue.

Sincerely,
another white woman

Well, isn't this his gig? He's the money, the EP. So he's not just some white guy telling a black woman what diversity is, he's the money explaining what he wants for his project.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

If you truly believe that, you need to move to a majority-black country.

Your choice.

But if you stay in the USA, perhaps you need to stop being completely oblivious to your own BS.

What's the "BS" in PP's post that has you so defensive? S/he's got a point. Like seeks like. And until there are more different voices with power, guess what? The people with the power will keep choosing what is like them. I'm white, FWIW (I'm guessing that's important to you).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

It's also affirmative action and diversity hires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure he got into Harvard because he was the best possible student for the slot and not because he is a thick ankled townie from Southie.

Funny how "diversity" is only upsetting when you're not being helped by it.

He's not from southie you moron. Not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

If you truly believe that, you need to move to a majority-black country.

Your choice.

But if you stay in the USA, perhaps you need to stop being completely oblivious to your own BS.

I'm the PP you're responding to. What makes you think I'm black? I'm not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It feels like sometimes black people feel threatened by the concept of "best person for the job." Like the implication is that they won't be the best person in a true merit competition.

Sigh. The "true merit competition" in this case is judged by a whole room full of white guys and one black woman. What are the chances that all these white guys will think the "best person for the job will be... another white guy? Pretty darn good. This is what institutional racism is all about-- not a bunch of folks sitting around saying "let's exclude black people", but people, like Matt Damon, being completely oblivious to their own biases.

If you truly believe that, you need to move to a majority-black country.

Your choice.

But if you stay in the USA, perhaps you need to stop being completely oblivious to your own BS.

I think you need to take a Sociology 101 class.