Racist Matt Damon, typical Liberal hypocrite

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I DO think it's a little weird for Damon to tell black film producer Effie Brown that "when you're talking about diversity, you do it in the casting of the film, not the casting of the show." I'd never try to tell a black person what diversity means, or correct them on how to achieve it. I'd talk about my opinion, sure, but making it sound like I had the right answer and their contradictory answer (after years in the business!) is to me disrespectful, mansplaining, and whitesplianing.

I do think he seemed to be missing Effie Brown's point. She was saying that the directors of the movie would have to be familiar with and sensitive to minority viewpoints in order to pull off a film in which the only major female black character was a black prostitute beaten up by her white pimp. Damon -- part of a white male duo team -- said, hey, these other white males teams mentioned that issue, too, of course they will be equally as sensitive to it. We don't need the directors to be diverse, just the actors. But Brown' point is that you probably won't get the same sensitivity to the issue with two white guy directors, even if they lip service the issue.

Like, Straight Out Of Compton was not directed by white dudes. Neither was Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, or Boyz in the Hood.

I think you put it very well. It IS weird and tone deaf for Damon to explain diversity to Effie Brown. It just illustrates how even liberals and well-meaning white people can be biased without even realizing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

Good luck with that line of thinking! I can't believe so many DCUM posters are giving Matt a pass on that statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I DO think it's a little weird for Damon to tell black film producer Effie Brown that "when you're talking about diversity, you do it in the casting of the film, not the casting of the show." I'd never try to tell a black person what diversity means, or correct them on how to achieve it. I'd talk about my opinion, sure, but making it sound like I had the right answer and their contradictory answer (after years in the business!) is to me disrespectful, mansplaining, and whitesplianing.

I do think he seemed to be missing Effie Brown's point. She was saying that the directors of the movie would have to be familiar with and sensitive to minority viewpoints in order to pull off a film in which the only major female black character was a black prostitute beaten up by her white pimp. Damon -- part of a white male duo team -- said, hey, these other white males teams mentioned that issue, too, of course they will be equally as sensitive to it. We don't need the directors to be diverse, just the actors. But Brown' point is that you probably won't get the same sensitivity to the issue with two white guy directors, even if they lip service the issue.

Like, Straight Out Of Compton was not directed by white dudes. Neither was Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, or Boyz in the Hood.

I think you put it very well. It IS weird and tone deaf for Damon to explain diversity to Effie Brown. It just illustrates how even liberals and well-meaning white people can be biased without even realizing it.

+1 For sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

Do you think that in all hiring situations race should not be a factor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

Do you think that in all hiring situations race should not be a factor?

He didn't say it shouldn't be A factor.

What he objected to was considering race THE main factor.

Which should be merit, especially, as he pointed out, behind the screen. It was interesting, and no one seems to object to this, that he had a different set of rules for casting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

Do you think that in all hiring situations race should not be a factor?

He didn't say it shouldn't be A factor.

What he objected to was considering race THE main factor.

Which should be merit, especially, as he pointed out, behind the screen. It was interesting, and no one seems to object to this, that he had a different set of rules for casting.

Because he thought the black prostitute character should actually be played by a black person, not a white person?

As a white dude I guess he thinks that he is capable of rewriting the script and directing the film with the correct nuances given to the black prostitute's character. Effie Brown was saying, hold up there, and I tend to think she's right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

Do you think that in all hiring situations race should not be a factor?

He didn't say it shouldn't be A factor.

What he objected to was considering race THE main factor.

Which should be merit, especially, as he pointed out, behind the screen. It was interesting, and no one seems to object to this, that he had a different set of rules for casting.

What does "pick the best director. Period." mean to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think he's a racist. He's married to a mexican woman and has mixed children.

He's not racist and what he said is not racist. He was expressing a perfectly valid point -- let's dare to discuss it, no need for the totalitarian thought police to start an insult campaign.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just b/c Effie Brown is black doesn't mean her point was meaningful. She said something pretty insipid based on her own biases and prejudices.

So says the troll.

Trolls don't use the word "insipid." Just an FYI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Liberals love to eat their own young. I am one, but this aspect of internet liberal lynch mob culture now is really disturbing. And pointless. These are the same people who gave Chrissie Hynde sanctimonious lectures about how she should discuss her own rape.

People discussed - not lectured - the fact that she wasn't just speaking about her rape, she was talking about how every woman who gets raped bears some responsibility for it. I've never been raped, but quite honestly that's bullshit. If she needs to feel that she could have done something different in order not to feel completely powerless at the memory, rock on. But she should not have implied that every woman who gets raped did so because she was trolloping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

i'm curious. are you a woman?what exactly made her seem a bit difficult? how should she have reacted?

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

I think she is overreacting. I have no problem with his point of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually saw the show and the moment in question. (It's on HBO and probably playing 10x a day.) I didn't think what he said was racist. I think OP is misrepresenting what he said.

He said they should pick the best director. Period. He said they should not factor diversity into the decision of who would be the director. He didn't think the diverse director duo were the best qualified. And it's a competition to pick the best director, not the most diverse director.

Separately, he made the point that all the candidates had an issue with how the black character was portrayed. You don't need an Asian guy or a woman to realize that a character or storyline might veer toward racist or inappropriate. They had all come to that conclusion. That's what he said.

I actually give him credit for including the exchange in the show. He is an EP of the show and clearly he and Ben have significant input. a) He didn't have to have Effie Brown in the room and b) he didn't have to include the dialogue between himself and Effie in the show. As soon as it aired, I thought...he's catching shit for that.

I think if he's racist, he doesn't do a and b above. He was engaging in reasonable dialogue and I thought her reaction made her seem a bit difficult.

i'm curious. are you a woman?what exactly made her seem a bit difficult? how should she have reacted?

Agreed.

I wrote this original post. I am a woman.

She did not give Matt the benefit of the doubt. She went right into - you're a racist and I'm showing everyone with my facial expressions and body language that I think you're a racist. Without her reaction, I bet there's no story.

I think he was speaking clumsily and could have been more articulate. But instead of her talking it out and assuming the best, she just went right there.

So to me, she was a bit difficult. I think she could have asked him some more questions about what he was thinking to clarify. And then if that didn't lead anywhere good, agree to disagree civilly. No "Oh wow." He'll hang himself if it's going to go there.