What elementary school on The Hill?

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But JO Wilson is a Hill school. Its IB goes to H street. I would agree that the high rises over by the New York metro aren't on the Hill, or even really Hill adjacent, but no one but you is concerned about that point. The OP wanted some info on Hill schools. We are trying to give her some.

The NOMA booster is the one that turned this into a debate about NOMA as a neighborhood. And anyway, is JO Wilson really a Hill neighborhood? What would the longtimers say about that?

I've owned a home in the historic district since 1999. Do I count as a long timer? I consider everything between Florida Avenue NE and the highway SE to be Capitol Hill and from North Capitol to the Anacostia River. I realize that realtors have several different names for the sub neighborhoods (Hill East, Rosedale, NOMA, H Street/Atlas) and those distinctions are interesting for talking about different parts of the Hill, but it's pedantic to nitpick about subdivisions when people crisscross these neighborhoods all day for the purposes of shopping, recreation, commuting, libraries, restaurants, etc.). Any school in those boundaries is a Hill school because the lives of the kids and the families intersect at events and activities. I'm even willing to throw in Van Ness and the whole new Navy Yard area as essentially the same as the Hill. I now do all my grocery shopping at the Navy Yard Harris Teeter since it's the nicest grocery store "on the Hill," at least until the Whole Foods opens on H Street (which will still be "on the Hill"). I am not sure there is any point in arguing with you since you clearly think differently, but I wanted to represent the opinion of someone who has lived on the Hill for more than a few years.

Ditto, all around. Though as a resident of the Hill who lives just south of H, I'm not sure my opinion counts.

+1. I think if it as Florida ave to the highway. I've lived here since early 2000. In my experience only the older residents and old school real estate agents try and claim the historic district distinction. The Hill would be a boring and less enjoyable place to live without the adjacent areas that everyone under 50 that I know thinks of as the Hill.

[reposting to correct pagination issues]. As I wait for the steady drumbeat of these types of replies I can't help but feel sorry for the poster bolded above. Not because he/she has been passed by time and convention, but because their outdated definition of the Hill could only happen if they had not been exploring all the new and diverse offerings of what the rest of us think of as the Hill. And for that and for them I mourn.

Ok why are you so threatened by people making the simple observation that there's only so far you can stretch a neighborhood designation? Is it because you REALLY don't want to be called by your proper name - Swampoodle?

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The idea that SH could surpass Deal as the best DCPS middle school in another seven or eight years demonstrates that the NOMA booster is clueless in terms of anything actually related to education in DC.

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But JO Wilson is a Hill school. Its IB goes to H street. I would agree that the high rises over by the New York metro aren't on the Hill, or even really Hill adjacent, but no one but you is concerned about that point. The OP wanted some info on Hill schools. We are trying to give her some.

The NOMA booster is the one that turned this into a debate about NOMA as a neighborhood. And anyway, is JO Wilson really a Hill neighborhood? What would the longtimers say about that?

I've owned a home in the historic district since 1999. Do I count as a long timer? I consider everything between Florida Avenue NE and the highway SE to be Capitol Hill and from North Capitol to the Anacostia River. I realize that realtors have several different names for the sub neighborhoods (Hill East, Rosedale, NOMA, H Street/Atlas) and those distinctions are interesting for talking about different parts of the Hill, but it's pedantic to nitpick about subdivisions when people crisscross these neighborhoods all day for the purposes of shopping, recreation, commuting, libraries, restaurants, etc.). Any school in those boundaries is a Hill school because the lives of the kids and the families intersect at events and activities. I'm even willing to throw in Van Ness and the whole new Navy Yard area as essentially the same as the Hill. I now do all my grocery shopping at the Navy Yard Harris Teeter since it's the nicest grocery store "on the Hill," at least until the Whole Foods opens on H Street (which will still be "on the Hill"). I am not sure there is any point in arguing with you since you clearly think differently, but I wanted to represent the opinion of someone who has lived on the Hill for more than a few years.

Ditto, all around. Though as a resident of the Hill who lives just south of H, I'm not sure my opinion counts.

+1. I think if it as Florida ave to the highway. I've lived here since early 2000. In my experience only the older residents and old school real estate agents try and claim the historic district distinction. The Hill would be a boring and less enjoyable place to live without the adjacent areas that everyone under 50 that I know thinks of as the Hill.

[reposting to correct pagination issues]. As I wait for the steady drumbeat of these types of replies I can't help but feel sorry for the poster bolded above. Not because he/she has been passed by time and convention, but because their outdated definition of the Hill could only happen if they had not been exploring all the new and diverse offerings of what the rest of us think of as the Hill. And for that and for them I mourn.

Ok why are you so threatened by people making the simple observation that there's only so far you can stretch a neighborhood designation? Is it because you REALLY don't want to be called by your proper name - Swampoodle?

PWN

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's fair to ask if a school is really serving the neighborhood when fewer than 30 percent of its students live IB. The fact SH is located on the Hill doesn't necessary make it a Hill school. Therefore, the fact that Ludlow-Taylor now feeds to SH is beside the point when the overwhelming majority of its population is both OOB and apparently doesn't even live in Ward 6. The same could be said of the majority of schools located on or near the Hill.

And another old timer with no knowledge of the Hill as it is chimes in. LT waitlisted IB kids this year and the lower grades are almost entirely IB. The Hill is changing, my friend. But if you have to ask whether schools that are on the Hill are actually Hill schools then I think maybe time and common sense have passed you by.

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OP here -- wow this escalated quickly! Thanks to everyone who helped! Didn't realize I'd start a turf war over what mini-neighborhood is part of what larger area but I do appreciate the responses.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that SH could surpass Deal as the best DCPS middle school in another seven or eight years demonstrates that the NOMA booster is clueless in terms of anything actually related to education in DC.

NP. It may not surpass Deal, but I don't doubt that it could become a very close second.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that SH could surpass Deal as the best DCPS middle school in another seven or eight years demonstrates that the NOMA booster is clueless in terms of anything actually related to education in DC.

1. That's not actually what was said. Are we to conclude that the use of the parenthetical in the sentence structure was beyond your level of comprehension? Here it is again for your ease of use; let me know if you need assistance parsing the language.

Then there's the fact that LT is killing it, JO is on the rise (maybe a year or two behind LT) and both feed into SH, which (after Deal) could reasonably be the best MS in DC by the time ECE kids attend.

2. Do you disagree that LT is on the rise, that it's test scores are very impressive and that it waitlisted IB kids this year? And do you disagree that LT serves a neighborhood that many consider the Hill? Do you disagree that people with kids in early elementary are really impressed by the JO principal and that it looks and feels to those of us with kids in elementary that JO is tracking as LT did? I don't hear you disagreeing with my educational observations. And, to be clear, we're talking about the Hill now, not the one you remember.

3. I've always been amused by the attitude of the old timey Hill set. You guys can advocate for your lifestyle and and wish for years gone by and talk about your superiority, but anyone else who also advocates for something with which you do not agree or (in this case) understand is a "booster". That's not a negative term. Yes, I prefer my neighborhood the vast majority of what you call the Hill. I find the defensive reflexive reaction from your set to be ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- Take much of the advice with a grain of salt, but consider this -- if you're interested in gaining a PK3 seat without a sibling preference you'll likely be looking at long odds at Brent or Maury, and in two year possibly even Ludlow Taylor. I'd rank SWS highly but without an older sib you'll be looking at long odd there as well.

Peabody has the most ECE seats and it's an excellent program in a modernized building. It's not a lock for PK3 but it's not a longshot either. Watkins will be modernized by the time you're looking at 1st and there will likely be momentum from the largely inbound population rising from Peabody. Watkins has had some issues to which the mountains of DCUM posts will attest (and take those with a grain of salt too), but in 5 years it will likely look different than today and there is a lot of potential. Watkins' building is larger than Brent or Maury and the size can be a turnoff for some families.

What is the Peabody inbound population like in terms of SES?

Any info regarding the bolded question?

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But JO Wilson is a Hill school. Its IB goes to H street. I would agree that the high rises over by the New York metro aren't on the Hill, or even really Hill adjacent, but no one but you is concerned about that point. The OP wanted some info on Hill schools. We are trying to give her some.

The NOMA booster is the one that turned this into a debate about NOMA as a neighborhood. And anyway, is JO Wilson really a Hill neighborhood? What would the longtimers say about that?

I've owned a home in the historic district since 1999. Do I count as a long timer? I consider everything between Florida Avenue NE and the highway SE to be Capitol Hill and from North Capitol to the Anacostia River. I realize that realtors have several different names for the sub neighborhoods (Hill East, Rosedale, NOMA, H Street/Atlas) and those distinctions are interesting for talking about different parts of the Hill, but it's pedantic to nitpick about subdivisions when people crisscross these neighborhoods all day for the purposes of shopping, recreation, commuting, libraries, restaurants, etc.). Any school in those boundaries is a Hill school because the lives of the kids and the families intersect at events and activities. I'm even willing to throw in Van Ness and the whole new Navy Yard area as essentially the same as the Hill. I now do all my grocery shopping at the Navy Yard Harris Teeter since it's the nicest grocery store "on the Hill," at least until the Whole Foods opens on H Street (which will still be "on the Hill"). I am not sure there is any point in arguing with you since you clearly think differently, but I wanted to represent the opinion of someone who has lived on the Hill for more than a few years.

Ditto, all around. Though as a resident of the Hill who lives just south of H, I'm not sure my opinion counts.

+1. I think if it as Florida ave to the highway. I've lived here since early 2000. In my experience only the older residents and old school real estate agents try and claim the historic district distinction. The Hill would be a boring and less enjoyable place to live without the adjacent areas that everyone under 50 that I know thinks of as the Hill.

[reposting to correct pagination issues]. As I wait for the steady drumbeat of these types of replies I can't help but feel sorry for the poster bolded above. Not because he/she has been passed by time and convention, but because their outdated definition of the Hill could only happen if they had not been exploring all the new and diverse offerings of what the rest of us think of as the Hill. And for that and for them I mourn.

Ok why are you so threatened by people making the simple observation that there's only so far you can stretch a neighborhood designation? Is it because you REALLY don't want to be called by your proper name - Swampoodle?

PWN


"I do not think that word [PWN] means what you think it means."

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- Take much of the advice with a grain of salt, but consider this -- if you're interested in gaining a PK3 seat without a sibling preference you'll likely be looking at long odds at Brent or Maury, and in two year possibly even Ludlow Taylor. I'd rank SWS highly but without an older sib you'll be looking at long odd there as well.

Peabody has the most ECE seats and it's an excellent program in a modernized building. It's not a lock for PK3 but it's not a longshot either. Watkins will be modernized by the time you're looking at 1st and there will likely be momentum from the largely inbound population rising from Peabody. Watkins has had some issues to which the mountains of DCUM posts will attest (and take those with a grain of salt too), but in 5 years it will likely look different than today and there is a lot of potential. Watkins' building is larger than Brent or Maury and the size can be a turnoff for some families.

What is the Peabody inbound population like in terms of SES?

Any info regarding the bolded question?

The only actual data on that point would be FARMS. Ironically, here's one situation where that data is actually not code for anything else. But that only tells you the bottom end. There is no way of knowing what the remainder is because that data isn't published or known to schools. That will not stop people on this board from chiming in like they know, mind you. But please keep in mind that people on this forum like to talk about "going private" as if finding another 30-50k a year for 4-9 years is not a big deal. If you think looking at demographic data is useful then you can look at that. But if you understand that race doesn't necessarily equal SES then you're out of luck.

But forget the logic, wait for the DCUM "experts" to weigh in. Just bring your salt lick.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP -- Take much of the advice with a grain of salt, but consider this -- if you're interested in gaining a PK3 seat without a sibling preference you'll likely be looking at long odds at Brent or Maury, and in two year possibly even Ludlow Taylor. I'd rank SWS highly but without an older sib you'll be looking at long odd there as well.

Peabody has the most ECE seats and it's an excellent program in a modernized building. It's not a lock for PK3 but it's not a longshot either. Watkins will be modernized by the time you're looking at 1st and there will likely be momentum from the largely inbound population rising from Peabody. Watkins has had some issues to which the mountains of DCUM posts will attest (and take those with a grain of salt too), but in 5 years it will likely look different than today and there is a lot of potential. Watkins' building is larger than Brent or Maury and the size can be a turnoff for some families.

What is the Peabody inbound population like in terms of SES?

Any info regarding the bolded question?

The only actual data on that point would be FARMS. Ironically, here's one situation where that data is actually not code for anything else. But that only tells you the bottom end. There is no way of knowing what the remainder is because that data isn't published or known to schools. That will not stop people on this board from chiming in like they know, mind you. But please keep in mind that people on this forum like to talk about "going private" as if finding another 30-50k a year for 4-9 years is not a big deal. If you think looking at demographic data is useful then you can look at that. But if you understand that race doesn't necessarily equal SES then you're out of luck.

But forget the logic, wait for the DCUM "experts" to weigh in. Just bring your salt lick.

PP here on original response about Peabody. The question is ill-informed and beneath an response. Draw your own conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP -- Take much of the advice with a grain of salt, but consider this -- if you're interested in gaining a PK3 seat without a sibling preference you'll likely be looking at long odds at Brent or Maury, and in two year possibly even Ludlow Taylor. I'd rank SWS highly but without an older sib you'll be looking at long odd there as well.

Peabody has the most ECE seats and it's an excellent program in a modernized building. It's not a lock for PK3 but it's not a longshot either. Watkins will be modernized by the time you're looking at 1st and there will likely be momentum from the largely inbound population rising from Peabody. Watkins has had some issues to which the mountains of DCUM posts will attest (and take those with a grain of salt too), but in 5 years it will likely look different than today and there is a lot of potential. Watkins' building is larger than Brent or Maury and the size can be a turnoff for some families.

What is the Peabody inbound population like in terms of SES?

Any info regarding the bolded question?

The only actual data on that point would be FARMS. Ironically, here's one situation where that data is actually not code for anything else. But that only tells you the bottom end. There is no way of knowing what the remainder is because that data isn't published or known to schools. That will not stop people on this board from chiming in like they know, mind you. But please keep in mind that people on this forum like to talk about "going private" as if finding another 30-50k a year for 4-9 years is not a big deal. If you think looking at demographic data is useful then you can look at that. But if you understand that race doesn't necessarily equal SES then you're out of luck.

But forget the logic, wait for the DCUM "experts" to weigh in. Just bring your salt lick.

PP here on original response about Peabody. The question is ill-informed and beneath an response. Draw your own conclusions.

Thanks, first PP. I know that race doesn't equal SES, as I myself am a minority in a high tax bracket. Was just trying to get impressions from people who live in-boundary to Peabody as to the general SES of the boundary.

Second PP -- are you the poster DCUM calls "word salad"?

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so you think:

a) parents get to choose the curriculum in the future (even though DCPS decided not to do Reggio, Montessori, IB, or any of the other curricula/approaches some parents requested thus far)

b) the renovation will decrease parking available for teachers AND take over a DPR site

c) lots of families with school-aged kids want to move into apartment complexes that mostly offer 1 or 2 bedrooms, with low square footage, high rents, and few kid-friendly amenities (treadmills, dog parks, and rooftop grills are nice, but not the best things if you're 9 years old)

d) families that live in the two large public housing complexes and the subsidized housing built as part of the Capper-Carrollsburg redevelopment will not send their kids to their in-bounds school, while families living in market-rate units (who have more means to research, apply to, and transport their kids to charters, private, or Wilson-feeding DCPS) will enroll at Van Ness.

Good luck with that. I predict it is going to wind up a fairly split school, with a diverse and largely in-bounds population from grades PK3-2, and very small classes with a lot of OOB families seeking a Jefferson/Eastern feed in the testing grades. The PTA will mostly be families with kids aged 5 and under, including a sizable group of "prospective parents" with 2-year-old twins, who will rank Van Ness lower than Two Rivers or an immersion charter and bail for Arlington after a couple of unsuccessful years in the lottery.

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised by the demographics at Van Ness for this upcoming school year. I live in the Capitol Riverfront area, and have spoken with a lot of families that have enrolled their kids at Van Ness. I've met both in bound families and out of bounds families (mostly at events at Yards Park), and the vast majority either live within the Capitol Riverfront bounds or somewhere in Capitol Hill. I think this is why DCPS announced that the school would not be a Title I school for the 2015-2016 School Year. My prediction is that if the school is not a Title I school for this upcoming school year, you will see a lot of interest in the school for the following year, especially if the renovation goes over well, and the school building looks great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP -- Take much of the advice with a grain of salt, but consider this -- if you're interested in gaining a PK3 seat without a sibling preference you'll likely be looking at long odds at Brent or Maury, and in two year possibly even Ludlow Taylor. I'd rank SWS highly but without an older sib you'll be looking at long odd there as well.

Peabody has the most ECE seats and it's an excellent program in a modernized building. It's not a lock for PK3 but it's not a longshot either. Watkins will be modernized by the time you're looking at 1st and there will likely be momentum from the largely inbound population rising from Peabody. Watkins has had some issues to which the mountains of DCUM posts will attest (and take those with a grain of salt too), but in 5 years it will likely look different than today and there is a lot of potential. Watkins' building is larger than Brent or Maury and the size can be a turnoff for some families.

What is the Peabody inbound population like in terms of SES?

Any info regarding the bolded question?

The only actual data on that point would be FARMS. Ironically, here's one situation where that data is actually not code for anything else. But that only tells you the bottom end. There is no way of knowing what the remainder is because that data isn't published or known to schools. That will not stop people on this board from chiming in like they know, mind you. But please keep in mind that people on this forum like to talk about "going private" as if finding another 30-50k a year for 4-9 years is not a big deal. If you think looking at demographic data is useful then you can look at that. But if you understand that race doesn't necessarily equal SES then you're out of luck.

But forget the logic, wait for the DCUM "experts" to weigh in. Just bring your salt lick.

PP here on original response about Peabody. The question is ill-informed and beneath an response. Draw your own conclusions.

Thanks, first PP. I know that race doesn't equal SES, as I myself am a minority in a high tax bracket. Was just trying to get impressions from people who live in-boundary to Peabody as to the general SES of the boundary.

Second PP -- are you the poster DCUM calls "word salad"?

^^ sorry replaced "(an) answer" with "(an) response" - so yes -- you're very clever and I am indeed word salad. And if you have to ask about the cost of living in the Hill Historic District or even Hill East then you're asking a foolish question. 170 of 227 Peabody kids are inbounds, and of the 57 who aren't I'll bet most have siblings at Watkins.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many IB kids at Peabody and Ludlow-Taylor left to go to Mundo Verde this year, considering the huge MV expansion.