JKLM or HRCS??

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Anonymous wrote:We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

I am not sure what you mean about IEPs? We left a charter due to IEP implement ion problems. I felt like no one was in charge and we had no recourse so we just left for IB school.

Our charter is its own LEA. They give dc everything he needs in his IEP and implement it beautifully. OSE was a joke for us. Ot and st once a week for half an hour in a group for a kid with HFA was all they offered when we said no to an autism classroom which our entire team felt would be a mistake. Ose just wanted to give us what made things easy not what was what dc needed and was least restrictive.

Can I ask which charter your HFA child attends which has done a great job? I have a kid with HFA at a DCPS school (currently pk4). Trying to decide whether to abandon DCPS inbound school for a charter we were accepted into.

I would like to know too since our charter experience was so horrendous.

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Anonymous wrote:We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

I am not sure what you mean about IEPs? We left a charter due to IEP implement ion problems. I felt like no one was in charge and we had no recourse so we just left for IB school.

Our charter is its own LEA. They give dc everything he needs in his IEP and implement it beautifully. OSE was a joke for us. Ot and st once a week for half an hour in a group for a kid with HFA was all they offered when we said no to an autism classroom which our entire team felt would be a mistake. Ose just wanted to give us what made things easy not what was what dc needed and was least restrictive.

Can I ask which charter your HFA child attends which has done a great job? I have a kid with HFA at a DCPS school (currently pk4). Trying to decide whether to abandon DCPS inbound school for a charter we were accepted into.

I would like to know too since our charter experience was so horrendous.

Sure. He is at CMI. We love it.

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Anonymous wrote:We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

I am not sure what you mean about IEPs? We left a charter due to IEP implement ion problems. I felt like no one was in charge and we had no recourse so we just left for IB school.

Our charter is its own LEA. They give dc everything he needs in his IEP and implement it beautifully. OSE was a joke for us. Ot and st once a week for half an hour in a group for a kid with HFA was all they offered when we said no to an autism classroom which our entire team felt would be a mistake. Ose just wanted to give us what made things easy not what was what dc needed and was least restrictive.

Can I ask which charter your HFA child attends which has done a great job? I have a kid with HFA at a DCPS school (currently pk4). Trying to decide whether to abandon DCPS inbound school for a charter we were accepted into.

I would like to know too since our charter experience was so horrendous.

Sure. He is at CMI. We love it.

Congrats. I tried to get my HFA child in there, but she's 70 on the waitlist, so it won't happen.

We are considering Two Rivers/Young. (Sibling without special needs was also accepted.)

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Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

Wow. The data is indeed correct. Very interesting. Doesn't say anything negative about JKLM as much as it says good things for non JKLM WOTP schools and HRCSs. The white # tested for Janney was 158 and Lafayette was 212 (so yes a much larger pool than others). However, Key, 2Rivers, and Eaton have similar # students tested. Way to go to all the schools! Now if only we could address the educational gap with FARM and non-FARM.

Agreed, this is very revealing data. Hearst only has 15 students in this sample so it's perhaps not representative, but Oyster has 87, very close to Key's 91.

Time to debunk the construct of JKLM.

What it does show demonstrate is how ridiculous all the IB families who choose not to go to Hearst because of "low test scores" are. I'd like to hear them now explain how their decision to not attend the school has nothing to do with race but all about test scores.

Hearst is a small school with only two classes per grade. By my count, there were more than 15 white kids who were in those test taking grades last year, but not much more. There are definitely more white students in the lower grades and you should note that many of our white kids (at present) are not IBs (could even be a majority). You should also note that a good portion of our AA population is high SES.

I only offer this information to help paint a picture for those who are sincerely curious about the school like the one PP who didn't get how there could only be 15, or those who marveled at how we managed to land on top of the score list up thread (for what it's worth, the numbers posted for all these schools were a snapshot of one group, in one year, so you can't really read too much into it). Still, the numbers help debunk a lot of the garbage that has been thrown at Hearst over the years. It appears that your "gifted" white kid will do just fine, if not fabulous, at Hearst. And if you're really concerned, Hearst probably isn't the school for you.

We are a "big tent" community that does not waste a whole lot of time on this stuff. We simply enjoy and are grateful for what is truly a great little school whose real value can't be ascertained from the stats on the profile page.

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Anonymous wrote:In case anyone was curious with what I found:

Proficient and Advanced, White students, 3rd-5th:
**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Advanced:

Hearst 66.67%
Oyster Adams 60.92%
Stoddert 50.56%
Ross 50.00%
Janney 48.10%
Two Rivers 47.32%
Lafayette 46.38%
Inspired 45.45%
Haynes 44.00%
Eaton 43.53%
Mann 41.65%
Key 39.01%
Murch 37.50%
Brent 35.34%
Maury 34.85%
Stokes 31.82%
Yu Ying 31.08%
Capital City 25.00%
Logan 15.63%

I don't find anything surprising or shocking about this data. Most high-SES kids will perform well in any decent school environment. I'm IB for Janney, but I would never assume that my child would perform worse at any other acceptable school. It's not the schools themselves that cause the overall differences in test scores, which is why all ideas of city-wide lotteries are based on false premises.

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^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

And that would be their choice and their loss.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

Are test scores are the only thing you look at when evaluating a school? Test scores of "white" children, who are known to do well in all of dcps, and tops in the country, is not the only criteria to look at. How do all these schools rank in terms of aftercare, specials, facilities, libraries, scores of non-white children, etc. and I haven't even mentioned the importance of a "neighborhood" school...

And please note, I'm not trying to say that some of these schools would not be "acceptable" to me, but you have to look at the whole package and also consider the simple fact that some of are simply unwilling to "risk" where our kids will go to school...

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

Are test scores are the only thing you look at when evaluating a school? Test scores of "white" children, who are known to do well in all of dcps, and tops in the country, is not the only criteria to look at. How do all these schools rank in terms of aftercare, specials, facilities, libraries, scores of non-white children, etc. and I haven't even mentioned the importance of a "neighborhood" school...

And please note, I'm not trying to say that some of these schools would not be "acceptable" to me, but you have to look at the whole package and also consider the simple fact that some of are simply unwilling to "risk" where our kids will go to school...

why are acceptable and risk in parentheses PP?

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

Are test scores are the only thing you look at when evaluating a school? Test scores of "white" children, who are known to do well in all of dcps, and tops in the country, is not the only criteria to look at. How do all these schools rank in terms of aftercare, specials, facilities, libraries, scores of non-white children, etc. and I haven't even mentioned the importance of a "neighborhood" school...

And please note, I'm not trying to say that some of these schools would not be "acceptable" to me, but you have to look at the whole package and also consider the simple fact that some of are simply unwilling to "risk" where our kids will go to school...

Ok. I'll bite. Which of the 10 top schools on the list above are NOT acceptable to you and why?

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

Are test scores are the only thing you look at when evaluating a school? Test scores of "white" children, who are known to do well in all of dcps, and tops in the country, is not the only criteria to look at. How do all these schools rank in terms of aftercare, specials, facilities, libraries, scores of non-white children, etc. and I haven't even mentioned the importance of a "neighborhood" school...

And please note, I'm not trying to say that some of these schools would not be "acceptable" to me, but you have to look at the whole package and also consider the simple fact that some of are simply unwilling to "risk" where our kids will go to school...

Ok. I'll bite. Which of the 10 top schools on the list above are NOT acceptable to you and why?

Any school that I would have to lottery into... and any school that does not feed to an acceptable middle school... so, that list gets pretty small and fast...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Many of these schools would not be deemed "acceptable" to JKLM parents.

Are test scores are the only thing you look at when evaluating a school? Test scores of "white" children, who are known to do well in all of dcps, and tops in the country, is not the only criteria to look at. How do all these schools rank in terms of aftercare, specials, facilities, libraries, scores of non-white children, etc. and I haven't even mentioned the importance of a "neighborhood" school...

And please note, I'm not trying to say that some of these schools would not be "acceptable" to me, but you have to look at the whole package and also consider the simple fact that some of are simply unwilling to "risk" where our kids will go to school...

Ok. I'll bite. Which of the 10 top schools on the list above are NOT acceptable to you and why?

Any school that I would have to lottery into... and any school that does not feed to an acceptable middle school... so, that list gets pretty small and fast...

You have to lottery into any school that is not your inbounds. You have a list of exactly 1, by my calculations.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be entertaining to hear how you could get the number 96.67% proficient with a student body of 15. Hint: with 15 students, what percentage of the total does each student represent?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it would be entertaining to hear how you could get the number 96.67% proficient with a student body of 15. Hint: with 15 students, what percentage of the total does each student represent?

The score was a weighted average between math and reading.

29/30 tests with proficient or advanced. Hint: one student did basic for reading or math.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it would be entertaining to hear how you could get the number 96.67% proficient with a student body of 15. Hint: with 15 students, what percentage of the total does each student represent?

The score was a weighted average between math and reading.

29/30 tests with proficient or advanced. Hint: one student did basic for reading or math.