JKLM or HRCS??

[Anonymous]

JKLM. I very, very strongly believe in neighbhorhood schools.

[Anonymous]

We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

[Anonymous]

Here is the raw data:
school #mathtested % prof/adv% adv #readingtested % prof/adv %adv
Hearst ES 15 100.00% 86.67% 15 93.33% 46.67%
Ross ES 14 100.00% 64.29% 14 100.00% 35.71%
Mann ES 58 98.28% 51.72% 57 92.98% 31.58%
Eaton ES 85 97.65% 56.47% 85 95.29% 30.59%
Stoddert 68 97.06% 63.24% 66 89.39% 37.88%
Maury ES 33 96.97% 48.48% 33 93.94% 21.21%
Lafayette 212 95.75% 58.49% 213 94.37% 34.27%
Two Rivers 56 94.64% 57.14% 56 100.00% 37.50%
Yu Ying 37 94.59% 45.95% 37 86.49% 16.22%
Oyster 87 93.10% 75.86% 87 98.85% 45.98%
Janney ES 158 92.41% 58.86% 158 93.67% 37.34%
Key ES 91 91.21% 49.45% 91 92.31% 28.57%
Inspired 11 90.91% 45.45% 11 100.00% 45.45%
Stokes 11 90.91% 36.36% 11 100.00% 27.27%
Capital City 90.91% 27.27% 22 100.00% 22.73%
Murch ES 160 90.63% 49.38% 160 92.50% 25.63%
Haynes 25 88.00% 56.00% 25 92.00% 32.00%
Brent ES 58 82.76% 55.17% 58 84.48% 15.52%
Logan 16 81.25% 18.75% 16 87.50% 12.50%

[Anonymous]

http://osse.dc.gov/publication/2014-dc-cas-results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HRCS.

Here's why:
- JKLMs are 'traditional' schools while many of the HRCS's offer progressive models of education such as expeditionary learning, Montessori, etc.
- JKLMs are not socio-economically diverse because you have to have a lot of $$$ to live inbounds and secure a spot.
- As a result of the high premium to get into a JKLM, some of the kids at JKLMs are entitled and look down on those with less money.
- JKLMs are BIG schools -- your child will not feel like they know everyone at school as they might at a smaller charter.
- 2 out of 5 JKLMs badly need a renovation.
- Charters function more independently than traditional public schools, including teaching to the test less.

Signed,
Parent IB at a JKLM whose child attends an HRCS

You do realize that the charters have to follow common core now, just like DCPS. And most of us don't think its advantageous to send out kids to schools with 50% and higher FARMS rates. I would love to be able to afford to buy into JKLM and have my kid surrounded by achieving and driven students. And their supportive families. Why would your child need to know everyone at school? as long as they know the kids in their class or grade thats enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HRCS.

Here's why:
- JKLMs are 'traditional' schools while many of the HRCS's offer progressive models of education such as expeditionary learning, Montessori, etc.
- JKLMs are not socio-economically diverse because you have to have a lot of $$$ to live inbounds and secure a spot.
- As a result of the high premium to get into a JKLM, some of the kids at JKLMs are entitled and look down on those with less money.
- JKLMs are BIG schools -- your child will not feel like they know everyone at school as they might at a smaller charter.
- 2 out of 5 JKLMs badly need a renovation.
- Charters function more independently than traditional public schools, including teaching to the test less.

Signed,
Parent IB at a JKLM whose child attends an HRCS

You do realize that the charters have to follow common core now, just like DCPS. And most of us don't think its advantageous to send out kids to schools with 50% and higher FARMS rates. I would love to be able to afford to buy into JKLM and have my kid surrounded by achieving and driven students. And their supportive families. Why would your child need to know everyone at school? as long as they know the kids in their class or grade thats enough.

PP, you are sorely misinformed. I also don't believe that you are IB for a JKLM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the raw data:
school #mathtested % prof/adv% adv #readingtested % prof/adv %adv
Hearst ES 15 100.00% 86.67% 15 93.33% 46.67%
Ross ES 14 100.00% 64.29% 14 100.00% 35.71%
Mann ES 58 98.28% 51.72% 57 92.98% 31.58%
Eaton ES 85 97.65% 56.47% 85 95.29% 30.59%
Stoddert 68 97.06% 63.24% 66 89.39% 37.88%
Maury ES 33 96.97% 48.48% 33 93.94% 21.21%
Lafayette 212 95.75% 58.49% 213 94.37% 34.27%
Two Rivers 56 94.64% 57.14% 56 100.00% 37.50%
Yu Ying 37 94.59% 45.95% 37 86.49% 16.22%
Oyster 87 93.10% 75.86% 87 98.85% 45.98%
Janney ES 158 92.41% 58.86% 158 93.67% 37.34%
Key ES 91 91.21% 49.45% 91 92.31% 28.57%
Inspired 11 90.91% 45.45% 11 100.00% 45.45%
Stokes 11 90.91% 36.36% 11 100.00% 27.27%
Capital City 90.91% 27.27% 22 100.00% 22.73%
Murch ES 160 90.63% 49.38% 160 92.50% 25.63%
Haynes 25 88.00% 56.00% 25 92.00% 32.00%
Brent ES 58 82.76% 55.17% 58 84.48% 15.52%
Logan 16 81.25% 18.75% 16 87.50% 12.50%

from which year?

[Anonymous]

2013-14

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

Wow. The data is indeed correct. Very interesting. Doesn't say anything negative about JKLM as much as it says good things for non JKLM WOTP schools and HRCSs. The white # tested for Janney was 158 and Lafayette was 212 (so yes a much larger pool than others). However, Key, 2Rivers, and Eaton have similar # students tested. Way to go to all the schools! Now if only we could address the educational gap with FARM and non-FARM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

Wow. The data is indeed correct. Very interesting. Doesn't say anything negative about JKLM as much as it says good things for non JKLM WOTP schools and HRCSs. The white # tested for Janney was 158 and Lafayette was 212 (so yes a much larger pool than others). However, Key, 2Rivers, and Eaton have similar # students tested. Way to go to all the schools! Now if only we could address the educational gap with FARM and non-FARM.

Agreed, this is very revealing data. Hearst only has 15 students in this sample so it's perhaps not representative, but Oyster has 87, very close to Key's 91.

Time to debunk the construct of JKLM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HRCS.

Here's why:
- JKLMs are 'traditional' schools while many of the HRCS's offer progressive models of education such as expeditionary learning, Montessori, etc.
- JKLMs are not socio-economically diverse because you have to have a lot of $$$ to live inbounds and secure a spot.
- As a result of the high premium to get into a JKLM, some of the kids at JKLMs are entitled and look down on those with less money.
- JKLMs are BIG schools -- your child will not feel like they know everyone at school as they might at a smaller charter.
- 2 out of 5 JKLMs badly need a renovation.
- Charters function more independently than traditional public schools, including teaching to the test less.

Signed,
Parent IB at a JKLM whose child attends an HRCS

You do realize that the charters have to follow common core now, just like DCPS. And most of us don't think its advantageous to send out kids to schools with 50% and higher FARMS rates. I would love to be able to afford to buy into JKLM and have my kid surrounded by achieving and driven students. And their supportive families. Why would your child need to know everyone at school? as long as they know the kids in their class or grade thats enough.

PP, you are sorely misinformed. I also don't believe that you are IB for a JKLM.

Original PP here - why claim that I am lying and am not inbounds for a JKLM? We are inbounds for a JKLM that needs a renovation badly and will be moving everyone to swing space or trailers in a year's time. I know this because our neighbors are talking about that move a lot and considering what it will mean for their kids.

We are currently at a charter but I have visited our JKLM several times and considered the advantages/disadvantages of it versus the charter carefully. Lots of great things at our JKLM and it does seem like a nice community. Obviously, there are lots of committed teachers, smart kids, and families that emphasize education. But I did feel like the vibe was a little bit 'rich kid/rich family' and not quite as welcoming to families with - gasp - a profile that is less than the top 5% of income in DC. We are just top 15% of HHI in the District and live in a condo building. JKLMers on DCUM frequently talk about the 'apartment people' that bring down the test scores in their precious JKLM. Those dialogues, too, make me think that the JKLM students might be a bit entitled and look down on my poor 'apartment dweller' kid. I have heard from my neighbors in the building that this does occur - not all the time, of course, but it is a dynamic that exists and that they put up with because they love so many other aspects of the school. These dynamics don't exist at our charter and I love that. The school is an incredible warm, welcoming place where there are people from all walks of life and all communities of DC. The school is also smaller, in better physical shape, and has a model of teaching that makes it very difficult to teach to the test.

So, no, I am not misinformed and I do live IB for a JKLM.

[Anonymous]

At the time we sent our kids to Mann, Yu Ying had just started and was getting slammed here, and it took a while for it to come up to snuff academically. Our children are now too old. If I were starting now? I would do language immersion, preferably Yu Ying, and supplement at home.......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

I am not sure what you mean about IEPs? We left a charter due to IEP implement ion problems. I felt like no one was in charge and we had no recourse so we just left for IB school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are IB for a JKLM and chose to attend a Hrcs. It is s much better fit for our DC. The huge difference for us is class size and having the school in charge of IEPs. I wish dc could attend the neighbor hood school due to location and having friends nearby. For us, those are only things missing at our Hrcs.

I am not sure what you mean about IEPs? We left a charter due to IEP implement ion problems. I felt like no one was in charge and we had no recourse so we just left for IB school.

Our charter is its own LEA. They give dc everything he needs in his IEP and implement it beautifully. OSE was a joke for us. Ot and st once a week for half an hour in a group for a kid with HFA was all they offered when we said no to an autism classroom which our entire team felt would be a mistake. Ose just wanted to give us what made things easy not what was what dc needed and was least restrictive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

Wow. The data is indeed correct. Very interesting. Doesn't say anything negative about JKLM as much as it says good things for non JKLM WOTP schools and HRCSs. The white # tested for Janney was 158 and Lafayette was 212 (so yes a much larger pool than others). However, Key, 2Rivers, and Eaton have similar # students tested. Way to go to all the schools! Now if only we could address the educational gap with FARM and non-FARM.

Agreed, this is very revealing data. Hearst only has 15 students in this sample so it's perhaps not representative, but Oyster has 87, very close to Key's 91.

Time to debunk the construct of JKLM.

Add to that
Eaton (85 students tested) 57% advanced in math and 31% advanced in reading
Mann (58 tested) with 52% and 32%
Key (91 tested) with 50% and 29%
Two Rivers (56 tested) with 57% and 38%