How is Ritchie Park these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Behavior notes don't change behavior. Every study will tell you positive consequences and rewards change behavior, not negative.

Horray Johnny. You didn't backslap Susie today in the lunchroom. Here is a proud panther! Yippee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Behavior notes don't change behavior. Every study will tell you positive consequences and rewards change behavior, not negative.

Horray Johnny. You didn't backslap Susie today in the lunchroom. Here is a proud panther! Yippee.

I get tired of hearing about "positive reinforcements". Sure, you praise a kid when they do something well, but you still gotta discipline the kid when he does something bad. It's not like positive reinforcement is magic and they stop the bad behavior all of a sudden. Who knows, maybe that badly behaved child gets all kinds of positive reinforcements at home, but not enough punishment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well put, PP.

I guess the BFES or Wayside or Potomac ES parent who keeps coming back to this thread to dump on RP will not be too happy with you. Same with the parent whose kids was scolded by the mean lunch lady and is now using a scorched earth policy against anyone who dares walk the halls of RP.

LOL. I volunteer there sometimes, and yea, one lunch lady is mean. But you know what, it's like a zoo in there. I mean really, a zoo. The lady has to be mean and strict otherwise it would be absolutely chaotic and the decibel level would blow out the windows. Just think about how many kids are in there. RP is over capacity. Also, some of the kids there are so disrespectful, even to the adults that are supervising. If I were that lady, I'd be mean, too, sometimes. I politely told a very young ES kid to please keep hands to yourself as the kid was disturbing another kid, and the kid blew me off. I so wanted to give that kid a spanking. Of course I didn't. If all the kids were angels the mean lunch lady might not be so mean...who knows.

you wanted to give someone else's child a spanking? And your volunteering at school?

Seriously PP, it was in jest. But sometimes, yea I think such kids need spankings. Do you volunteer at your kid's school lunches/recess? Have you ever dealt with out of control, disrespectful kids that bother other kids? So tell me, if you came across an ES student who was bothering your child during lunch, and you asked this kid politely to stop and this kid just laughed at you and ignored what you said, what would you do? Give the child a note? This kid is like this every time I see this kid. I'm venturing to guess that no amount of notes this kid has received is changing the kid's behavior. I have a higher tolerance for bad behavior from kids that are not mine, but this kid would try the patience of a saint. If you have a such a kid, discipline your kids and don't expect the people at school to do it for you.

Perhaps move this kid to another location. Maybe the noise and crowdedness bothers him and he needs a different eating situation. The school admin. should be looking for a solution and not just let it roll. And, a note a day or even weekly is not going to do the trick.

Agreed..the parent needs to do something, like every time you bring home a note for xyz, you lose abc privilege.

[Anonymous]

I like how everyone assumes the parent DOESN'T do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how everyone assumes the parent DOESN'T do anything.

Well, if the kid's behavior is not changing?....or maybe the parent needs to change the discipline if what they are doing is not working.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the parents and the school need to work together?

[Anonymous]

Agree - parents need to step up and do something if a kid is consistently (or even once) bringing home disclipinary notes. Stop blaming the lunch ladies.

[Anonymous]

Come on people. Use your brains. Any successful school has an approach to discipline that is both proactive and reactive. And it keeps clear lines of communication between parents and the school.

In terms of the cafeteria, the school needs to be proactive:
--examine the set-up and flow of the cafeteria. At my school, we learned to never put the fifth and sixth grade classes next to each other.

--explicitly teach the procedures for going thru the line, getting supplies, cleaning up when finished eating, etc.

--explicit teach expectations for noise and when kids can move around. At my school, kids may not get up on their own for any reason. They raise their hand if they need something.

--make sure all the teachers and monitors know the procedures and expectations.

--build relationships with kids

And the school needs to be reactive when kids misbehave.
--give reminders and redirect.
--give assigned seats
--have kid take a break and sit at table off to the side. They lose the privilege of eating with friends.
--if the kid continues to misbehave, they may lose the privilege of eating in the cafeteria. Have a parent conference.

There is no one magic solution or trick. It's hard work, but it can be done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on people. Use your brains. Any successful school has an approach to discipline that is both proactive and reactive. And it keeps clear lines of communication between parents and the school.

In terms of the cafeteria, the school needs to be proactive:
--examine the set-up and flow of the cafeteria. At my school, we learned to never put the fifth and sixth grade classes next to each other.

--explicitly teach the procedures for going thru the line, getting supplies, cleaning up when finished eating, etc.

--explicit teach expectations for noise and when kids can move around. At my school, kids may not get up on their own for any reason. They raise their hand if they need something.

--make sure all the teachers and monitors know the procedures and expectations.

--build relationships with kids

And the school needs to be reactive when kids misbehave.
--give reminders and redirect.
--give assigned seats
--have kid take a break and sit at table off to the side. They lose the privilege of eating with friends.
--if the kid continues to misbehave, they may lose the privilege of eating in the cafeteria. Have a parent conference.

There is no one magic solution or trick. It's hard work, but it can be done.

But the whole point is this school can not do this. Their lunch aides are horrible, crabby and it is still a complete zoo in there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on people. Use your brains. Any successful school has an approach to discipline that is both proactive and reactive. And it keeps clear lines of communication between parents and the school.

In terms of the cafeteria, the school needs to be proactive:
--examine the set-up and flow of the cafeteria. At my school, we learned to never put the fifth and sixth grade classes next to each other.

--explicitly teach the procedures for going thru the line, getting supplies, cleaning up when finished eating, etc.

--explicit teach expectations for noise and when kids can move around. At my school, kids may not get up on their own for any reason. They raise their hand if they need something.

--make sure all the teachers and monitors know the procedures and expectations.

--build relationships with kids

And the school needs to be reactive when kids misbehave.
--give reminders and redirect.
--give assigned seats
--have kid take a break and sit at table off to the side. They lose the privilege of eating with friends.
--if the kid continues to misbehave, they may lose the privilege of eating in the cafeteria. Have a parent conference.

There is no one magic solution or trick. It's hard work, but it can be done.

But the whole point is this school can not do this. Their lunch aides are horrible, crabby and it is still a complete zoo in there

This is way beyond the capability or desire of the admin as well. They do not "think outside the box" well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on people. Use your brains. Any successful school has an approach to discipline that is both proactive and reactive. And it keeps clear lines of communication between parents and the school.

In terms of the cafeteria, the school needs to be proactive:
--examine the set-up and flow of the cafeteria. At my school, we learned to never put the fifth and sixth grade classes next to each other.

--explicitly teach the procedures for going thru the line, getting supplies, cleaning up when finished eating, etc.

--explicit teach expectations for noise and when kids can move around. At my school, kids may not get up on their own for any reason. They raise their hand if they need something.

--make sure all the teachers and monitors know the procedures and expectations.

--build relationships with kids

And the school needs to be reactive when kids misbehave.
--give reminders and redirect.
--give assigned seats
--have kid take a break and sit at table off to the side. They lose the privilege of eating with friends.
--if the kid continues to misbehave, they may lose the privilege of eating in the cafeteria. Have a parent conference.

There is no one magic solution or trick. It's hard work, but it can be done.

Not sure about the other parts, but in bolded, RP does do this. I have witnessed it myself and my kids have told me the same thing.

[Anonymous]

At BFES, a kindly old butler cleans up their lunches, wipes faces and escorts the children to their next class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like how everyone assumes the parent DOESN'T do anything.

Well, if the kid's behavior is not changing?....or maybe the parent needs to change the discipline if what they are doing is not working.

Or, an novel idea here, the school needs to do something different. And not just step up the note writing.
Whatever they are doing is not working for the child. Just a thought.