Elite colleges matter less that you think

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HA! Do you REALLY think ANYONE is hired into a "high powered" job out of college? That is referred to as ENTRY LEVEL. I'm talking C-Suite jobs. No one questions the contention that strong college pedigree helps in obtaining ENTRY LEVEL jobs (which is what you, as a college career director, handle), the point is that one's educational credentials have diminishing value as they build a career track record. By the time it comes to C-Suite, Partnership, Managing Director hiring those credentials are nothing more than a PLUS factor.

In my experience, positions in the administration of colleges (e.g., college career director) are full of frustrated professionals who can't understand why their educational pedigree hasn't taken them further.

Different PP here, not the college career person. You are cray cray!

Or, you think your "clever" and you can change the subject around and "nobody will notice" and then we'll stop ragging on your sheer stupidity for the "I won't hire Ivy grads" comment. I'm here to call you on this BS. Nobody suggested that an Ivy degree is a ticket for life, anywhere in this thread. Instead, let's be clear: you're getting beaten up because everybody is responding to your stupid comment that you wouldn't hire Ivy grads for all these "high powered" positions you supposedly control.

Geez. It's scary to think that someone as dense and blinkered as you is in charge of hiring "high powered" managers. Then again, all the evidence (your writing style, your sheer ignorance) point to the conclusion that you're lying.

Here is direct quote I responded to: As a college career director I'm certain you know much less about 'high powered' jobs than I do.[i]

Do you not see that as implying that PP thinks her position as "a college career director" gives her insight into hiring for 'high powered' jobs? That is what I responded to.

PS: Please excuse my "writing style" http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

Ummm...NO! That was in response to the smug assumption that you know soooooo much about 'high powered' positions--when you're just a 'college career director'.

COMPREHENSION, people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: there's a hierarchy in this world. If I went ivy, I got a better education than you. My luxury car is better than your Ford. My exotic vacation is better than your day at a nearby beach. My million dollar bank account is better than your overdrawn one.

It is what it is .

Sure. But the point is that you don't have to go to an ivy league school to get a job where you will eventually make millions of dollars. Isn't that what everyone is saying in this thread?

True! Just like I don't have to buy a Benz to get from Point A to B, but I CAN! So I DO! And those who CAN'T will continue to make posts about how my Benz and their Hyundai both take us from Point A to B. It's not that black and white. There are so many more benefits to having the Benz (ivy degree) over the Hyundai (non-ivy degree). And the fact that I can have the Benz while you drive the Hyundai also says a lot about who we are and our live experiences, expectations, preparation, etc.

Ivy vs. non-ivy is much more nuanced than most want to admit. Actually, I think they realize how nuanced it is. That's why they beat that dead horse every chance they get. Just accept some can go to the Benz dealership to get a car and others will have to go to the Hyundai lot.

[Anonymous]

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Ummm...NO! That was in response to the smug assumption that you know soooooo much about 'high powered' positions--when you're just a 'college career director'.

COMPREHENSION, people!

How much can we pay you to take your stupid schtick and go away? You seem exactly like the sort of sleazeball who would accept a good bribe.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. When I hire, I don't look at GPA and sometimes being Ivy league makes me less interested in hiring the person. I'd rather get a scrappy Big Ten grad who I know will put in the time with the low level work to learn, vs an ivy league kid who is spoiled (not that this holds true for every big ten or ivy grad).

Oh you sound like a brilliant hiring manager. That chip on your shoulder is affecting your brain function.

+1. Wonder if PP always bases her hiring decisions on tired stereotypes.

Haha. I agree. I'm a college career director and I always tell applicants to avoid the HR people and try to work their way around them because some of them have the same dumb ideas as this poster. Oh, let me just hire the dumbest people I can and certainly avoid hiring any Ivy grads...because they are probably too smart and I'd be threatened. I hope this was a troll poster because I can't imagine anyone that pathetic and envious.

Go around HR? I don't think HR would be the ones with those issues. I'd think HR would gladly pass the resume along to the hiring managers. It's the hiring managers who are more likely to be afraid of bringing the smarter, more impressive guy onto his turf. Instant threat.

I LOVE this speculative chit chat demonstrating that those commenting know next to nothing about the hiring process as it applies to high power jobs.

As a college career director I'm certain you know much less about 'high powered' jobs than I do.

HA! Do you REALLY think ANYONE is hired into a "high powered" job out of college? That is referred to as ENTRY LEVEL. I'm talking C-Suite jobs. No one questions the contention that strong college pedigree helps in obtaining ENTRY LEVEL jobs (which is what you, as a college career director, handle), the point is that one's educational credentials have diminishing value as they build a career track record. By the time it comes to C-Suite, Partnership, Managing Director hiring those credentials are nothing more than a PLUS factor.

In my experience, positions in the administration of colleges (e.g., college career director) are full of frustrated professionals who can't understand why their educational pedigree hasn't taken them further.

You said it: Ivy credentials are a PLUS factor, which gives it an advantage over non-ivy.

And let's not act as if the ivy credentials won't be given a 2nd look every single time while the non-ivy resume will be much easier to bypass.

Ivy credentials simply do not have diminishing value. But keep telling yourself that.

PS: No need to try to be insulting to college career directors. Perhaps it is a profession about which they are passionate. At least they seem like happy, confident people. The same cannot be said for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: there's a hierarchy in this world. If I went ivy, I got a better education than you. My luxury car is better than your Ford. My exotic vacation is better than your day at a nearby beach. My million dollar bank account is better than your overdrawn one.

It is what it is .

Sure. But the point is that you don't have to go to an ivy league school to get a job where you will eventually make millions of dollars. Isn't that what everyone is saying in this thread?

True! Just like I don't have to buy a Benz to get from Point A to B, but I CAN! So I DO! And those who CAN'T will continue to make posts about how my Benz and their Hyundai both take us from Point A to B. It's not that black and white. There are so many more benefits to having the Benz (ivy degree) over the Hyundai (non-ivy degree). And the fact that I can have the Benz while you drive the Hyundai also says a lot about who we are and our live experiences, expectations, preparation, etc.

Ivy vs. non-ivy is much more nuanced than most want to admit. Actually, I think they realize how nuanced it is. That's why they beat that dead horse every chance they get. Just accept some can go to the Benz dealership to get a car and others will have to go to the Hyundai lot.

Short version: Ivy envy puts you at risk of posting tons of embarrassing BS on DCUM involving lots of CAPITAL LETTERS and BS claims that you hire other executives. Not to mention, excessive use of exclamation points!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HA! Do you REALLY think ANYONE is hired into a "high powered" job out of college? That is referred to as ENTRY LEVEL. I'm talking C-Suite jobs. No one questions the contention that strong college pedigree helps in obtaining ENTRY LEVEL jobs (which is what you, as a college career director, handle), the point is that one's educational credentials have diminishing value as they build a career track record. By the time it comes to C-Suite, Partnership, Managing Director hiring those credentials are nothing more than a PLUS factor.

In my experience, positions in the administration of colleges (e.g., college career director) are full of frustrated professionals who can't understand why their educational pedigree hasn't taken them further.

Different PP here, not the college career person. You are cray cray!

Or, you think your "clever" and you can change the subject around and "nobody will notice" and then we'll stop ragging on your sheer stupidity for the "I won't hire Ivy grads" comment. I'm here to call you on this BS. Nobody suggested that an Ivy degree is a ticket for life, anywhere in this thread. Instead, let's be clear: you're getting beaten up because everybody is responding to your stupid comment that you wouldn't hire Ivy grads for all these "high powered" positions you supposedly control.

Geez. It's scary to think that someone as dense and blinkered as you is in charge of hiring "high powered" managers. Then again, all the evidence (your writing style, your sheer ignorance) point to the conclusion that you're lying.

+1 The guy is lying. And if he's not, he's just doing those ivy grads a favor. Although I'm sure they wouldn't want to work at his company anyway. They don't seem too bright. And one thing I can tell you about ivy grads is that they love to work around other smart people.

Thank goodness they have ivy credentials. I'm certain other 'high powered' companies are snatching them up left and right. I've graduated from 2 ivy schools, so I know tons of ivy grads. And not one has any problem finding a position or advancing in their careers.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: there's a hierarchy in this world. If I went ivy, I got a better education than you. My luxury car is better than your Ford. My exotic vacation is better than your day at a nearby beach. My million dollar bank account is better than your overdrawn one.

It is what it is .

Sure. But the point is that you don't have to go to an ivy league school to get a job where you will eventually make millions of dollars. Isn't that what everyone is saying in this thread?

True! Just like I don't have to buy a Benz to get from Point A to B, but I CAN! So I DO! And those who CAN'T will continue to make posts about how my Benz and their Hyundai both take us from Point A to B. It's not that black and white. There are so many more benefits to having the Benz (ivy degree) over the Hyundai (non-ivy degree). And the fact that I can have the Benz while you drive the Hyundai also says a lot about who we are and our live experiences, expectations, preparation, etc.

Ivy vs. non-ivy is much more nuanced than most want to admit. Actually, I think they realize how nuanced it is. That's why they beat that dead horse every chance they get. Just accept some can go to the Benz dealership to get a car and others will have to go to the Hyundai lot.

Short version: Ivy envy puts you at risk of posting tons of embarrassing BS on DCUM involving lots of CAPITAL LETTERS and BS claims that you hire other executives. Not to mention, excessive use of exclamation points!!!!!!!!!

Another one: Ivy Envy makes you so insecure you get validation from insulting college career directors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Ummm...NO! That was in response to the smug assumption that you know soooooo much about 'high powered' positions--when you're just a 'college career director'.

COMPREHENSION, people!

How much can we pay you to take your stupid schtick and go away? You seem exactly like the sort of sleazeball who would accept a good bribe.

Anybody want to contribute to a collection so we can pay the faux hiring manager to take a hike?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ummm...NO! That was in response to the smug assumption that you know soooooo much about 'high powered' positions--when you're just a 'college career director'.

COMPREHENSION, people!

How much can we pay you to take your stupid schtick and go away? You seem exactly like the sort of sleazeball who would accept a good bribe.

Anybody want to contribute to a collection so we can pay the faux hiring manager to take a hike?

LOL! What high powered hiring manager has the time....

You know what?

The guy is funny.

I don't know what's funnier: Him or the fact that he thinks he's 'hurting' ivy grads. LOL!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: there's a hierarchy in this world. If I went ivy, I got a better education than you. My luxury car is better than your Ford. My exotic vacation is better than your day at a nearby beach. My million dollar bank account is better than your overdrawn one.

It is what it is .

Sure. But the point is that you don't have to go to an ivy league school to get a job where you will eventually make millions of dollars. Isn't that what everyone is saying in this thread?

True! Just like I don't have to buy a Benz to get from Point A to B, but I CAN! So I DO! And those who CAN'T will continue to make posts about how my Benz and their Hyundai both take us from Point A to B. It's not that black and white. There are so many more benefits to having the Benz (ivy degree) over the Hyundai (non-ivy degree). And the fact that I can have the Benz while you drive the Hyundai also says a lot about who we are and our live experiences, expectations, preparation, etc.

Ivy vs. non-ivy is much more nuanced than most want to admit. Actually, I think they realize how nuanced it is. That's why they beat that dead horse every chance they get. Just accept some can go to the Benz dealership to get a car and others will have to go to the Hyundai lot.

Short version: Ivy envy puts you at risk of posting tons of embarrassing BS on DCUM involving lots of CAPITAL LETTERS and BS claims that you hire other executives. Not to mention, excessive use of exclamation points!!!!!!!!!

Another one: Ivy Envy makes you so insecure you get validation from insulting college career directors.

Yeah, the guy is one unhappy camper.

I wonder if those college career directors insecurely try to steer ivy grads away from jobs because they harbor jealousy towards their credentials.

Nah...I think they get off on helping people. That's why they do what they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HA! Do you REALLY think ANYONE is hired into a "high powered" job out of college? That is referred to as ENTRY LEVEL. I'm talking C-Suite jobs. No one questions the contention that strong college pedigree helps in obtaining ENTRY LEVEL jobs (which is what you, as a college career director, handle), the point is that one's educational credentials have diminishing value as they build a career track record. By the time it comes to C-Suite, Partnership, Managing Director hiring those credentials are nothing more than a PLUS factor.

In my experience, positions in the administration of colleges (e.g., college career director) are full of frustrated professionals who can't understand why their educational pedigree hasn't taken them further.

Different PP here, not the college career person. You are cray cray!

Or, you think your "clever" and you can change the subject around and "nobody will notice" and then we'll stop ragging on your sheer stupidity for the "I won't hire Ivy grads" comment. I'm here to call you on this BS. Nobody suggested that an Ivy degree is a ticket for life, anywhere in this thread. Instead, let's be clear: you're getting beaten up because everybody is responding to your stupid comment that you wouldn't hire Ivy grads for all these "high powered" positions you supposedly control.

Geez. It's scary to think that someone as dense and blinkered as you is in charge of hiring "high powered" managers. Then again, all the evidence (your writing style, your sheer ignorance) point to the conclusion that you're lying.

Here is direct quote I responded to: As a college career director I'm certain you know much less about 'high powered' jobs than I do.[i]

Do you not see that as implying that PP thinks her position as "a college career director" gives her insight into hiring for 'high powered' jobs? That is what I responded to.

PS: Please excuse my "writing style" http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

You sound like a complete a$$hole. Nobody here believes you're in charge of more than flipping burgers.

Perhaps. But you've just been humiliated by a "complete a$$hole" burger flipper - have a wonderful weekend and don't forget to thank God for anonymous message boards.

ZING!

[Anonymous]

Can't stop laughing at the "college career director" who hires for "high powered jobs!" TFF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ummm...NO! That was in response to the smug assumption that you know soooooo much about 'high powered' positions--when you're just a 'college career director'.

COMPREHENSION, people!

How much can we pay you to take your stupid schtick and go away? You seem exactly like the sort of sleazeball who would accept a good bribe.

Anybody want to contribute to a collection so we can pay the faux hiring manager to take a hike?

LOL! What high powered hiring manager has the time....

You know what?

The guy is funny.

I don't know what's funnier: Him or the fact that he thinks he's 'hurting' ivy grads. LOL!

I know, right? I'm another poster who agrees there's no way that PP took a break from his high-flying CEO or CFO job, where he's busy hiring executives for the "C Suite" (who says that?), just to engage in a little pleasant verbal banter with us humble DCUM folks all afternoon. Snort!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HA! Do you REALLY think ANYONE is hired into a "high powered" job out of college? That is referred to as ENTRY LEVEL. I'm talking C-Suite jobs. No one questions the contention that strong college pedigree helps in obtaining ENTRY LEVEL jobs (which is what you, as a college career director, handle), the point is that one's educational credentials have diminishing value as they build a career track record. By the time it comes to C-Suite, Partnership, Managing Director hiring those credentials are nothing more than a PLUS factor.

In my experience, positions in the administration of colleges (e.g., college career director) are full of frustrated professionals who can't understand why their educational pedigree hasn't taken them further.

Different PP here, not the college career person. You are cray cray!

Or, you think your "clever" and you can change the subject around and "nobody will notice" and then we'll stop ragging on your sheer stupidity for the "I won't hire Ivy grads" comment. I'm here to call you on this BS. Nobody suggested that an Ivy degree is a ticket for life, anywhere in this thread. Instead, let's be clear: you're getting beaten up because everybody is responding to your stupid comment that you wouldn't hire Ivy grads for all these "high powered" positions you supposedly control.

Geez. It's scary to think that someone as dense and blinkered as you is in charge of hiring "high powered" managers. Then again, all the evidence (your writing style, your sheer ignorance) point to the conclusion that you're lying.

Here is direct quote I responded to: As a college career director I'm certain you know much less about 'high powered' jobs than I do.[i]

Do you not see that as implying that PP thinks her position as "a college career director" gives her insight into hiring for 'high powered' jobs? That is what I responded to.

PS: Please excuse my "writing style" http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

You sound like a complete a$$hole. Nobody here believes you're in charge of more than flipping burgers.

Perhaps. But you've just been humiliated by a "complete a$$hole" burger flipper - have a wonderful weekend and don't forget to thank God for anonymous message boards.

ZING!

Oh gawd. It's the idiot sock puppet who says ZING to her own posts. I can feel my brain cells dying. Sorry, gotta go find some smart people and talk to them tonight.

[Anonymous]

Folks, don't bash the elitist. They will take offense. It's always the "you are insecure and jealous" replies. I know, they will say, "well, you are insecure and jealous." They cannot fathom that not all people care about the same things they care about.

Go ahead...bash. It's pretty standard here.