Option B best for Ward 3?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

[Anonymous]

If you don't like your local schools in your cool neighborhood, then get a some new lenses in your hipster glasses, focus on what needs to change at your local school, even if it means that you get to spend spend less time at Le Diplomate or that craft bourbon bar that opened up the street. Join with other young parents, roll up your sleeves and change your neighborhood schools. It's what others did before you, with schools that were languishing in the 80s and today are considered top performing. Oh, ok. That's not your priority? I guess you're used to getting instant gratification now, so let's just move away from a local school centered system

That's what we are doing. We aren't used to instant gratification. Could you please not generalize.

[Anonymous]

The Ward 3 parents on here aren't doing themselves any favors. I was sympathetic to their concerns because they have the most to lose. But it doesn't take hipster glasses to see that very few posters from Ward 3 see themselves as part of a collective system and they clearly dislike other parents and kids outside their ward, either because of their choices or circumstances. Studies show allotting 20% of seats to low-income kids helps those kids, but doesn't hurt the other 80%. That's not a tipping point, so why not help those needy kids?

As this public debate continues, don't expect the other 7 wards to care about your concerns when you show such disregard for theirs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

[Anonymous]

Disregard AND tell everyone to move IB for their (Ward 3) schools. It is such a bizarre response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Ward 3 parents on here aren't doing themselves any favors. I was sympathetic to their concerns because they have the most to lose. But it doesn't take hipster glasses to see that very few posters from Ward 3 see themselves as part of a collective system and they clearly dislike other parents and kids outside their ward, either because of their choices or circumstances. Studies show allotting 20% of seats to low-income kids helps those kids, but doesn't hurt the other 80%. That's not a tipping point, so why not help those needy kids?

As this public debate continues, don't expect the other 7 wards to care about your concerns when you show such disregard for theirs.

Does your child have to move from Murch to Eaton, or from Key or Stoddert to Hyde? If you were in that position (your child has to attend a school with lower test scores to make room for 20% oob students), how would you feel? You'd be fine with it for the 'greater good?'

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

Read some of the other threads that show what some EOTP families think about Ward 3 families. Not warm and fuzzy. And this was before any of these debates began. We're all entitled to try to do the best for our kids. I'm not okay with anyone who wants to take something away from my kid so their kid can benefit. I don't care what ward they live in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

Read some of the other threads that show what some EOTP families think about Ward 3 families. Not warm and fuzzy. And this was before any of these debates began. We're all entitled to try to do the best for our kids. I'm not okay with anyone who wants to take something away from my kid so their kid can benefit. I don't care what ward they live in.

wow. entitled much? you just showed why some (lots?) EOTP families feel the way they do about Ward 3. heck, i live in Ward 3 and i definitely don't like this attitude.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Because Eaton and Hyde are both strong schools. I believe a kid with engaged parents can get an excellent education there and I know many that do. I wouldn't be fine if I was being re-zoned to a failing school, and I would be upset if I was an Oyster parent. But that's not on the table for most people (despite the reactions that make it seem like it).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

Read some of the other threads that show what some EOTP families think about Ward 3 families. Not warm and fuzzy. And this was before any of these debates began. We're all entitled to try to do the best for our kids. I'm not okay with anyone who wants to take something away from my kid so their kid can benefit. I don't care what ward they live in.

wow. entitled much? you just showed why some (lots?) EOTP families feel the way they do about Ward 3. heck, i live in Ward 3 and i definitely don't like this attitude.

How is it entitled to want to stay IB for the school's boundaries you bought a house in? If I'm entitled for wanting to stay in my current IB school, then what do you think about OOB families who think they should take my kid's spot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Ward 3 parents on here aren't doing themselves any favors. I was sympathetic to their concerns because they have the most to lose. But it doesn't take hipster glasses to see that very few posters from Ward 3 see themselves as part of a collective system and they clearly dislike other parents and kids outside their ward, either because of their choices or circumstances. Studies show allotting 20% of seats to low-income kids helps those kids, but doesn't hurt the other 80%. That's not a tipping point, so why not help those needy kids?

As this public debate continues, don't expect the other 7 wards to care about your concerns when you show such disregard for theirs.

What about key and Stoddert parents who would be IB for a school with only 38% IB families? That's past the tipping point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

Read some of the other threads that show what some EOTP families think about Ward 3 families. Not warm and fuzzy. And this was before any of these debates began. We're all entitled to try to do the best for our kids. I'm not okay with anyone who wants to take something away from my kid so their kid can benefit. I don't care what ward they live in.

wow. entitled much? you just showed why some (lots?) EOTP families feel the way they do about Ward 3. heck, i live in Ward 3 and i definitely don't like this attitude.

How is it entitled to want to stay IB for the school's boundaries you bought a house in? If I'm entitled for wanting to stay in my current IB school, then what do you think about OOB families who think they should take my kid's spot?

you bought a home. a home and its land is a private dwelling. a public school is a public good. you did NOT buy into a public school. you can only buy into a private school. a public school serves a COMMUNITY. you should really try to be a part of a greater community, which let me remind you spans WAY beyond Ward 3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't seem to be aware that your school is part of a school system and that that school system is part of a political system. If the only issue was crowding at a small set of schools wotp you would be right, but it's not.

I am aware of that. Making our schools worse, isn't the answer. The problems in Ward 3 schools aren't the same as the problems at Ward 8 schools, so why try to fix both of them with the same solution? It's not going to work.

the fix requires some pain WOTP because the solutions for the WOTP schools (a mix of expansions, boundary reductions and reductions in OOB admissions) are not politically palitable outside Ward 3.

The fix doesn't require pain to ward 3 schools. Thinking that is just mean spirited. That's one of the things that's bothering me. Some of this feels like a mean spirited chipping away at our neighborhood schools. We have OOB lotteries. Great. OOB kids are welcomed as long as their is space. Not a problem. But as soon as neighborhood kids start filling the schools, there's an outcry. Now we have to be forced into having 10-20% of the seats at schools set aside for kids from failing schools. Where does it end?

Mean spirited or not, people have been chipping away at neighborhood schools since the first charter came to town. Those families who win the lottery and live near the "sought-after charter" are OK. Those who can afford to live where there are already good neighborhood schools are OK. Everyone else is not OK, but remember -- it's not the fault of those other families -- it's the fault of the system. Go after the system -- not other parents.

Families who decided to go charter weren't forced out of schools they contributed to and wanted their kids to attend. They chose charters for various reasons, and for many these charters were Better than their IB school. What's happening in ward 3 feels like we are being forced into schools that are worse than the ones we bought houses to be IB for ---at the request of families who are not happy with their IB schools.

But remember, it's not the families who are requesting it -- it's the school system that is proposing it. the families just want better education for their kids. I'm suggesting that all families should pull together against a system that is trying to pitt you against each other.

Read some of the other threads that show what some EOTP families think about Ward 3 families. Not warm and fuzzy. And this was before any of these debates began. We're all entitled to try to do the best for our kids. I'm not okay with anyone who wants to take something away from my kid so their kid can benefit. I don't care what ward they live in.

wow. entitled much? you just showed why some (lots?) EOTP families feel the way they do about Ward 3. heck, i live in Ward 3 and i definitely don't like this attitude.

How is it entitled to want to stay IB for the school's boundaries you bought a house in? If I'm entitled for wanting to stay in my current IB school, then what do you think about OOB families who think they should take my kid's spot?

you bought a home. a home and its land is a private dwelling. a public school is a public good. you did NOT buy into a public school. you can only buy into a private school. a public school serves a COMMUNITY. you should really try to be a part of a greater community, which let me remind you spans WAY beyond Ward 3.

Oh brother...

Are you IB for Murch or Janney? Let's meet so we can agree to switch spots and your child can go to Hearst or Eaton. Where we live doesn't matter. It's all about community. And the public good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you don't like your local schools in your cool neighborhood, then get a some new lenses in your hipster glasses, focus on what needs to change at your local school, even if it means that you get to spend spend less time at Le Diplomate or that craft bourbon bar that opened up the street. Join with other young parents, roll up your sleeves and change your neighborhood schools. It's what others did before you, with schools that were languishing in the 80s and today are considered top performing. Oh, ok. That's not your priority? I guess you're used to getting instant gratification now, so let's just move away from a local school centered system.

+1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Ward 3 parents on here aren't doing themselves any favors. I was sympathetic to their concerns because they have the most to lose. But it doesn't take hipster glasses to see that very few posters from Ward 3 see themselves as part of a collective system and they clearly dislike other parents and kids outside their ward, either because of their choices or circumstances. Studies show allotting 20% of seats to low-income kids helps those kids, but doesn't hurt the other 80%. That's not a tipping point, so why not help those needy kids?

As this public debate continues, don't expect the other 7 wards to care about your concerns when you show such disregard for theirs.

Does your child have to move from Murch to Eaton, or from Key or Stoddert to Hyde? If you were in that position (your child has to attend a school with lower test scores to make room for 20% oob students), how would you feel? You'd be fine with it for the 'greater good?'

I feel sorry for the students at Eaton or Hyde to have a parent such as you. Both of those schools are solid, have parents that give a damn and effective teachers. They may not have as rich of kids and they may not be as white as those other schools. But sure as hell don't cry to me because hundreds of kids want to be in those schools.