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For PS3:

Shepherd (IB preference)
Inspired Teaching
AppleTree Columbia Heights
Mundo Verde
Cap City PCS
Haynes
Powell

Also Stokes, LAMB, & Creative Minds.
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Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


Jeez, folks. I can't put Powell down for K! We are not at Powell. My example does not support your argument. Pick on someone else, please.


They are simply stating that if you get in any one of the 12 schools above, you should lose your IB status.


Agreed.


This is how the Denver lottery works. If you get in to a "choice" school you no longer have the option for your Inbounds school.
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Anonymous wrote:For K:

Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


Jeez, folks. I can't put Powell down for K! We are not at Powell. My example does not support your argument. Pick on someone else, please.


They are simply stating that if you get in any one of the 12 schools above, you should lose your IB status.


Agreed.


I disagree that PP should not be able to go to Powell for 1st grade if she accepts a K place through the lottery. That's completely messed up! What if the other school is not a good fit? What if the family needs to not drive from Petworth to Cleveland Park or Brookland every morning? I understand what you guys are getting at, but suggesting that a person should not be able to go to their neighborhood school unless they start in kindergarten is completely unreasonable.


Then they should have factored that into the lottery in the first place.


Okay, so what you're saying is that no matter what happens, your child should stay at the school they lottery into at age 3 or 4, and if you do not commit to your neighborhood school BEFORE the K lottery, you are just screwed?

How exactly do you factor a student's changing needs into a lottery decision at age 4? How exactly do you 100% rule out a parent taking a new job (or losing an old one) that results in a wildly different commute structure? I live down 14th Street from Powell, but I work downtown. I didn't put Powell on our PK4 list, despite thinking it's a good school, because I have to go the opposite direction. If I worked in Silver Spring, though, I would absolutely put Powell on the list.

It's like you do not want to accept that circumstances and kids change, at all, and want to hold people to decisions they made when their kids were 4 years old. Also, are you sure you're talking about Powell and not, say, Janney? Because you seem really upset about a person attending a charter instead of choosing their EOTP neighborhood school that people only started being excited about last year.
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For 5th

1) Latin
2) BASIS
3) stay at private
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Anonymous wrote:NP and not picking--I swear--just curious why Powell would be at the bottom of your list.


Not the poster who put Powell at the bottom, but I put Powell at the bottom for PK3 and I am in bounds for Powell and honestly, if we get in to Powell, I probably wont go and will just go private until first grade. Why? No diversity in student population (like 84% latino, 99% or something FARMS, 65% english language learners), no diversity among faculty, no inquiry based learning, low test scores, low parent involvement, and I am not convinced that Tools of the Minds is a curriculum that actually makes a difference -- unlike Montessori and inquiry based learning. I do not care how much folks say it is turning around--based on the tour I did, I prefer to wait until it turns. Because we are in bounds, I can always join it at K if there is indeed a real turnaround and it becomes a place I want to be. Save your comments that I should be a part of the turnaround. I have enough to do and prefer not to add sup par public school crusader to my list.


The lack of diversity also works against Powell for me (I commented on it up thread), but the scores are better than those at some other EOTP schools, including some charters (where that information can be found.) There's also a very involved parent group. My concern there, however, is that the Parents Organized for the Power of Powell are mostly white gentrifiers creating a parallel community that's separate from the Hispanic community. If we got in there, I'd join in but I see myself doing a lot of explaining to my kid about that separation and get uncomfortable just thinking about it. I think the principle sees this as an issue and she elicited my trust when she spoke about community at the open house.

I really want Powell to succeed and we'll go if we get in. But I see my son's ability to move comfortably among a variety of backgrounds and SES levels as essential to his development and Powell is still working on that. It's weird, but the real diversity is out in the suburbs.
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^^This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above about low parent involvement. A few gentrifying parents who are actively involved is not high parent involvement when it appears that the overwhelming majority of the parents are not involved and are separate and apart from these "new" parents. I want Powell to succeed as well. Would be great to have a neighborhood school that would really work for my family, but right now that is not happening and I do not want my children to suffer because of it.
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Anonymous wrote:For K:

Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


I am sorry but that is ridiculous. The whole idea behind a neighborhood system is so that everyone DOES have a back-up school at any and all times in a kid's academic career. That is the way it should be!
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Anonymous wrote:For K:

Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


Jeez, folks. I can't put Powell down for K! We are not at Powell. My example does not support your argument. Pick on someone else, please.


They are simply stating that if you get in any one of the 12 schools above, you should lose your IB status.


Agreed.


I disagree that PP should not be able to go to Powell for 1st grade if she accepts a K place through the lottery. That's completely messed up! What if the other school is not a good fit? What if the family needs to not drive from Petworth to Cleveland Park or Brookland every morning? I understand what you guys are getting at, but suggesting that a person should not be able to go to their neighborhood school unless they start in kindergarten is completely unreasonable.


Then they should have factored that into the lottery in the first place.


Okay, so what you're saying is that no matter what happens, your child should stay at the school they lottery into at age 3 or 4, and if you do not commit to your neighborhood school BEFORE the K lottery, you are just screwed?

How exactly do you factor a student's changing needs into a lottery decision at age 4? How exactly do you 100% rule out a parent taking a new job (or losing an old one) that results in a wildly different commute structure? I live down 14th Street from Powell, but I work downtown. I didn't put Powell on our PK4 list, despite thinking it's a good school, because I have to go the opposite direction. If I worked in Silver Spring, though, I would absolutely put Powell on the list.

It's like you do not want to accept that circumstances and kids change, at all, and want to hold people to decisions they made when their kids were 4 years old. Also, are you sure you're talking about Powell and not, say, Janney? Because you seem really upset about a person attending a charter instead of choosing their EOTP neighborhood school that people only started being excited about last year.


Pipe down, toots. Do you have any idea how unusual DC is with the amount of choice we have and the ability EVERY SINGLE YEAR, to change schools? In most areas on this country your local school is it, otherwise, it's private or homeschooling. So if you don't think that school is a "good fit" then you have to move, pay tuition or teach them yourself. I think what is being argued here is that if YOU CHOOSE to enroll and attend another school other than your local DCPS you have indicated that you don't want to attend the school that is assigned to your address. That's great. You're CHOICE. That doesn't mean you can't change the next year (the circumstances don't matter...whether it's logistical or philosophical). But if you suddenly want to reclaim your right to your local school you really should be required to submit enrollment documentation in the timeframe that IB children already attending are asked to, otherwise you should have lottery as if you're OOB. At first I thought people who were preaching "do away with all school assignments" were crazy, but now I'm starting to see the value in it.
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Anonymous wrote:For K:

Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


I am sorry but that is ridiculous. The whole idea behind a neighborhood system is so that everyone DOES have a back-up school at any and all times in a kid's academic career. That is the way it should be!


Do you have any idea how planning and budgeting works? Would you be happy if 20 additional and unexpected inboundary children showed up at your child's school the first day of school and suddenly the 20:1 ratio in your child's class was 30:1? Please think about that.
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Anonymous wrote:^^This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above about low parent involvement. A few gentrifying parents who are actively involved is not high parent involvement when it appears that the overwhelming majority of the parents are not involved and are separate and apart from these "new" parents. I want Powell to succeed as well. Would be great to have a neighborhood school that would really work for my family, but right now that is not happening and I do not want my children to suffer because of it.


This is definitely worrisome, as someone who put Powell relatively high. The thing is, I always assumed that parents putting their kids in a bilingual program themselves would speak Spanish and would make an effort to bridge that divide. Maybe that assumption was just flat out wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:^^This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above about low parent involvement. A few gentrifying parents who are actively involved is not high parent involvement when it appears that the overwhelming majority of the parents are not involved and are separate and apart from these "new" parents. I want Powell to succeed as well. Would be great to have a neighborhood school that would really work for my family, but right now that is not happening and I do not want my children to suffer because of it.


This is definitely worrisome, as someone who put Powell relatively high. The thing is, I always assumed that parents putting their kids in a bilingual program themselves would speak Spanish and would make an effort to bridge that divide. Maybe that assumption was just flat out wrong.


Yes, it was wrong.
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the lists were much more fun.
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Is there any way we can get back to the lists? New thread maybe?
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Anonymous wrote:For K:

Hearst
Eaton
Murch
Lafayette
Mundo Verde
Janney
Mann
Inspired Teaching School
Cap City
Stoddert
Hyde-Addison
EL Haynes

IB for Powell, and probably would rank it below ITS.


Wow - and Powell is nowhere on your list. What will you do if you (likely) get shut out and not into a single one of these schools?!?


it's for K, therefore he/she will have the right to show up the first day of school (assume her child may be there already).


This example seems to support an argument that families who eschew their local DCPS in the lottery, should not have the continued right to show up and enroll whenever they want. This sort of lottery playing, where your local school remains your back-up plan, but the school isn't aware, will only cause havoc on the school's budget and enrollment projections. I imagine this poster's child is already at Powell. They know they can stay, but will jump if they get a spot at any school above IT. OK, that's cool. But if you get a spot, accept it but then decide after a month or two that the commute is terrible and the school isn't all that you had hoped and you want to go back to Powell, I don't think you should be able to. That's completely unfair to school, the budget, the families who already committed, etc. These are the sort of things the boundary, feeder pattern committee is looking at.


Completely with you. I think if you give up your IB preference after K, you should lose your right to attend the school. No DCPS should be a "back up plan" but a place you invest in. It's not fair for the other children and families.


Agreed. And I'm not picking on this particular poster...particularly since she clarified that she's not at Powell now. As she rightly pointed out, inboundary families can't "lottery" for K and above because they get in as a matter of right. But once you do make the decision to not exercise that right by enrolling in and attending another public school (DCPS or charter) you should not just be able to show up whenever you want. If you want to get back into your old local school, you should have to lottery for it as if you were OOB.


Jeez, folks. I can't put Powell down for K! We are not at Powell. My example does not support your argument. Pick on someone else, please.


They are simply stating that if you get in any one of the 12 schools above, you should lose your IB status.


Agreed.


I disagree that PP should not be able to go to Powell for 1st grade if she accepts a K place through the lottery. That's completely messed up! What if the other school is not a good fit? What if the family needs to not drive from Petworth to Cleveland Park or Brookland every morning? I understand what you guys are getting at, but suggesting that a person should not be able to go to their neighborhood school unless they start in kindergarten is completely unreasonable.


Then they should have factored that into the lottery in the first place.


Okay, so what you're saying is that no matter what happens, your child should stay at the school they lottery into at age 3 or 4, and if you do not commit to your neighborhood school BEFORE the K lottery, you are just screwed?

How exactly do you factor a student's changing needs into a lottery decision at age 4? How exactly do you 100% rule out a parent taking a new job (or losing an old one) that results in a wildly different commute structure? I live down 14th Street from Powell, but I work downtown. I didn't put Powell on our PK4 list, despite thinking it's a good school, because I have to go the opposite direction. If I worked in Silver Spring, though, I would absolutely put Powell on the list.

It's like you do not want to accept that circumstances and kids change, at all, and want to hold people to decisions they made when their kids were 4 years old. Also, are you sure you're talking about Powell and not, say, Janney? Because you seem really upset about a person attending a charter instead of choosing their EOTP neighborhood school that people only started being excited about last year.


Pipe down, toots. Do you have any idea how unusual DC is with the amount of choice we have and the ability EVERY SINGLE YEAR, to change schools? In most areas on this country your local school is it, otherwise, it's private or homeschooling. So if you don't think that school is a "good fit" then you have to move, pay tuition or teach them yourself. I think what is being argued here is that if YOU CHOOSE to enroll and attend another school other than your local DCPS you have indicated that you don't want to attend the school that is assigned to your address. That's great. You're CHOICE. That doesn't mean you can't change the next year (the circumstances don't matter...whether it's logistical or philosophical). But if you suddenly want to reclaim your right to your local school you really should be required to submit enrollment documentation in the timeframe that IB children already attending are asked to, otherwise you should have lottery as if you're OOB. At first I thought people who were preaching "do away with all school assignments" were crazy, but now I'm starting to see the value in it.


There's no need to be condescending with your "toots" comment. I know exactly how unusual DC is with the level of school choice, and I'm familiar with how stressful it is if your child needs to attend a different school mid-year or even at the end of the year without... what? I do not see on the DCPS website any "intent to enroll" forms. Just enrollment forms, which are due May 1. A student entering kindergarten and above from another school - any other school - simply needs to submit their enrollment forms by May 1, just like every student who got in via the lottery. Whatever "intent to re-enroll" forms children who are already attending the school fill out are not relevant to new students, since they are not re-enrolling at all.

I understand that you would like people to stop abusing the system, but what you are talking about ("too bad, kid, you stay where you are even if it's horrible and you have another option!") seems cruel to kids. It is also not the policy.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way we can get back to the lists? New thread maybe?


Why don't you post your list? If you already have, then make up another one.
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