Any DC residents think about selling their homes and moving to Va so they get in state college

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my child ended up at JMU or GMU - I would be so upset. Those are crap state schools. Sorry, but outside of VA they are nothing. Ugh.

Sorry, I have to agree. I'd rather pay for a private school with better name recognition than have my kid go to JMU or GMU, which no one outside of this area has heard of. Outside of the VA-DC Metro Area, people think highly of UVA, somewhat highly of W&M, and VT. While I think all of the VA state schools can provide a great education, when it comes to job hunting, the name of your university matters.

Your child must not be in high school then. These kids grow up and learn to want their own things (if we've taught them properly). I personally have a strong dislike for JMU and DH and I high-fived each other when our kids said they did not want to apply there. But if for whatever reason they loved it and wanted to go, I'd write the check without complaint because I'll support their decision.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps VA needs to do what NC does, and limit the amount of out-of-state students that each university is allowed to accept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps VA needs to do what NC does, and limit the amount of out-of-state students that each university is allowed to accept.

Have you read the thread? UVa doesn't get enough support from the state to forgo all of that OOS tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps VA needs to do what NC does, and limit the amount of out-of-state students that each university is allowed to accept.

They already do that, it's just higher than Virginians would like. The Va flagship schools must feel that by accepting 1/3 of their students from OOS they not only get an additional $26k/year in tuition, but perhaps some diversity as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp I think you are correct. A very small (under 20%) of uva's budget is from the state. Could be 0 if they didn't have in state tuition.

And I am not sure why the gmu pp thinks that going to the top state university is a right for all Langley and McLean students. Heck that's not even true in MD anymore and UMD is way larger.

I'm the OOS poster. My kid has a 4.65 weighted GPA, high SATs and will have 10 APs. So not totally out of line with the top group at Langley (although I know your grading system is different). IF DC gets in I don't think he will be diluting your gene pool too much.

OK, smarty pants, let's take your figures - which are wrong - UVA's operating budget exceeds 2.3 billion dollars.
http://www.virginia.edu/budget/Docs/Budget%20Summaries/2009-10BudgetSummary.pdf. Since that pie chart comes from 2009, let's say UVA's operating costs are now 2.5 billion dollars. Twenty percent of that you allege is provided by the state of VA. Since you are so smart you do the math. Who is paying for this? My income tax.

And I apologize for my stats error - the State funds 9.5% of the operating budget for the university, not 20%. Apparently that is against $1.3 billion of the budget, the rest is the non state supported hospital. So here's one way to look at the math - 9.5% of $1.3 billion is 123 million. If you divide that by the approximately 10,000 in state undergrads at UVA that's $12,350 per student. By comparison an OOS student pays $26,000 more tuition than in state. So I think your tax dollars are funding the tuition discount for VA residents.

Here's a recent Q&A on this topic from the President:

"In this Q&A adapted from the University of Virginia magazine, President Teresa A. Sullivan discusses the challenges ahead.

Q: State funding accounted for just 9.5 percent of the $1.3 billion 2011-12 budget for the Academic Division (which does not include the hospital budget). At nearby peer institution UNC-Chapel Hill, state funding per in-state student was $23,792 in 2010-11. In contrast, U.Va. received $9,445 per in-state student. Why is there such a disparity, and do you expect state funding to continue to decline?

A: I can't tell you why the Commonwealth of Virginia has allowed this to happen. I can tell you that in North Carolina, there was a concerted effort to give strong support to their universities in the belief that would help their economy recover from the loss of tobacco, the loss of textiles, and the other blows that they had taken. And they do have some very fine universities as a result.

But the formation of [Virginia] Governor Robert McDonnell's Commission on Higher Education does seem to be a watershed moment in the following sense: It was a public affirmation that higher education is important to the Commonwealth, and that graduates with a college education are important to the future of Virginia's economy. I saw that as a very good sign. How soon that gets transferred into more support, or if it ever does, I'm not sure.

I think that looking at state support in terms of percentages is fundamentally misleading, so I don't like to talk percentages. We're about a $2.4 billion operation right now. A billion dollars of that is our hospital. No one expects our hospital to be funded by state appropriations.

In addition, our research support has grown. So if we criticize the legislature for a shrinking percentage every time we get a dollar of research support, that's not really fair to the General Assembly.

You need to compare apples to apples. I like the comparison of spending per in-state student because that is a fair comparison to make. Do I wish ours was higher? Yes, I do. We could do more if it were."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[THIS ^^^ at 10:42 is the problem with this board. Someone tries to do something nice - take a big chunk of time during a bout of insomnia - and writes something that might be useful, perhaps not for the immediate poster, but to someone else reading DCUrban or someone coming across the thread much later, while reading the archives. Then, instead of thanking the poster, or adding any additional useful information to the debate as set up by OP, the nasties and the haters appear and start slinging mud and attempt to rip up the Poster's helpful essay by correcting grammar, spelling, vilifying him or her, making fun of being a red-neck, etc. Really, who wins or who benefits when you all do this? Are you getting kicks out releasing the anger that has welled up inside you during the weekday, so you can go and find someone smart on DCUrban moms and try to bring her down. Do you enjoy doing this. Is it therapeutic?

When these types of angry posts appear and people start calling each other nasty names, I simply leave such threads because I don't want to take part in nasty discussions like this. So I am taking leave of all of you and giving up DCUrban moms for Lent . Maybe ice cream too.

Also, I am not going to participate in thoughtful discussions and debates when a poster tries to hijack the theme of the thread via political screed. The bold material above (in case another reader doesn't know about it [I didn't - and I know the Governor - I had to look it up]) comes from a decades-old essay which the Governor allegedly wrote in 1989 while working towards his Masters Degree. Even if McDonnell thought women in 1989 should all be SAHM (which I cannot believe he did - while he may not have binders of women, he certainly has positioned many many women into high spots in the state, the very act of bringing it up now to correlate with percentages of in-state v. out-of-state tuition issues is just not helpful to anyone. Besides, even if it were true: assume you are a 49-51 year old man - what were you doing in 1989? How many times did you change your major? your philosophy of life? your politics? How much have you changed as a person since 1989? And why does the press get to unearth McDonnell's thesis but Obama won't allow us to see his grades or application to Occidental College; his thesis at Columbia; at Harvard, etc., and also his wife's supposedly very angry undergraduate thesis? To raise this minute matter in a thread about a D.C. move to VA to get into a VA school; is totally inappropriate for the topic of this board - which started out nicely as a way to help someone decide if it was worth contemplating a move to VA to take advantage of its terrific state school system. Parents do need venues to compare notes and to get information on a tough issue (college application process) that affects the parents of all college-bound kids. When the mud starts slinging - and in this thread we even have political attack - the moms and dads vote with their feet and leave.

As for the allegation about that McDonnell "does not make education a priority" - HOW on earth can say that? Do you read? Don't you know what he is doing to promote great STEM educations (Science. Tech. Engineering and Mathematics), both at the county school level and at the VA universities? Do you know about the STEM scholarships he is funding for women? Do you know about the pending bill to allot another 1,000 VA seats for IS? Do you know anything about what is really happening over here in "Hicksville"? I do, because I know him personally and am on one of his education boards.

Further to address the issue that PP claims: "McDonnell does not make Education a priority," for starters, lets Google McDonnell's name and Education Priorities, Education goals, STEM, etc. Wow, list after list, page after page, laying out McConnell initiatives in education. https://www.google.com/search?Bob+McDonnell+STEM&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS509US509&oq=Bob+McDonnell+STEM&aqs=chrome.0.57.14203&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF. I sit on one of those education boards that McDonnell created to help improve education in Virginia - many of those boards are filled with very competent women, so again, nay nay, again, to the allegation that he thought in 1986 that moms should stay home.

And why do say " . . .[A]pparently, McDonnell only received a shallow mockery of an education himself? Do you not thing Notre Dame is good?

So with that, I hereby sign off DCUrbanmoms for Lent. You may now argue amongst yourselves and say what you want because I am not coming back. . This attempt to help is a complete waste of my time. Bye!

Good to see Governor transvaginal ultrasound, whose belief that working women are detrimental to the family, has enough time to post on DCUM. It'd be a shame if he died. In a fire.

[Anonymous]

No need to sell the house, just rent ot out and find an address on virginia

[Anonymous]

If your going to say BYE! can you stay gone?