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Anonymous wrote:So, no one can give examples of foreign affairs successes in addition to our military killing a bunch of bad guys? Any trade agreements, brokering a peace agreement between two other nations? Anything?


There have been several trade agreements signed. I assume you are capable of Googling them.

One of his biggest foreign policy successes was the draw down of troops in Iraq. This was a campaign pledge and one that he kept.

I personally don't like his foreign policy and therefore have a difficult time praising it. However, lately he has done a very good -- if unrecognized -- job of handling Israel and Netanyahu. Netanyahu made a clear effort to be the tail wagging the US dog and Obama put a stop to it. Obama stood up to Netanyahu in a manner the Israeli clearly didn't expect and Netanyahu's latest statements suggest that he is backing down.

Another point is that Obama appointed a very capable Secretary of State. She deserves credit for a lot of the accomplishments that have occurred during the Obama administration.

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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So, no one can give examples of foreign affairs successes in addition to our military killing a bunch of bad guys? Any trade agreements, brokering a peace agreement between two other nations? Anything?


Fighting two wars on two different fronts while backing the overthrow of a dictator known to have brokered the slaying of American innocence, and PP wants a peace agreement too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, no one can give examples of foreign affairs successes in addition to our military killing a bunch of bad guys? Any trade agreements, brokering a peace agreement between two other nations? Anything?


Fighting two wars on two different fronts while backing the overthrow of a dictator known to have brokered the slaying of American innocence, and PP wants a peace agreement too.


He got a free trade agreement with S. Korea, the 15th largest economy in the world.

He successfully pressed Europe to take fast action in early 2009 to avoid the banking collapse. Europe was taking its time because France and Germany didn't want to respond aggressively.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone name even one country that has a better diplomatic relationship with USA since Obama has been president?


According to this, the following countries have more confidence in Obama than Bush:

POland
Spain
Germany
Britain
France
Russia
Egypt
Turkey
Jordan
Lebanon
China
Japan
Mexico

In addition the following countries had not been polled under Bush but show high confidence in Obama: Czech Republic, Italy, India, Brazil.

Pakistan is unchanged for obvious reasons. It was the only country polled that did not show an improvement over Bush.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/chapter-3-global-opinion-of-barack-obama/


So? Eat THAT, asshat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: No, I don't. Our diplomatic relations with the vast majority of the world are just fine. Since you are making a ridiculous blanket statement, I challenge you to name one concrete example of what you claim and provide a non-partisan link to the evidence. Simply b/c he isn't seeking to control the Middle East through war and is not willing to intervene in the Arab Spring countries on behalf of secular parties does not make him weak. Intervening between Afghanistan and Russia in the 80's really worked out well for us, didn't it? (Hint: the answer is a resounding NO.)

I think people like you are just insecure, overcompensating, small-minded weenies who can't stand any uncertainty in the world and who frankly don't understand actual diplomacy. All you understand is blustering and war.


This is funny. I don't do assigned homework anymore.
I don't have to prove anything. He's the one who made these outrageous promises, and he's the one running for reelection. He's the one who has to answer why several of our embassies have been attacked, and Americans are still getting killed. And if you want a guy who's going to blame these attacks on a video, you know who to vote for. It can't possibly be his fault. He was inaugurated like he said he would do, but the violence and hatred of America has continued. You are exactly proving my point that many Obama supporters will give him a free pass for what ever he does or doesn't do.


This is funny. I didn't assign you shit, I challenged you. Clearly you arent' up to the challenge, because you are talking nonsense, making up lies, and parroting right-wing talking heads word for word.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:From your pew article: "Attitudes continue to be much more negative in predominantly Muslim countries, as well as Russia, China and Mexico." Thanks for the research.

Your article shows that Obama failed to fulfill his claim that, "I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated not only does the country look at itself differently, but the whole world looks at America differently. If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country, and I may be a Christian, but I understand their point of view."


It's called reading comprehension. Try it sometime. The quote you pulled randomly out of context is citing those countries in comparison to the rest of the world. Confidence is flat or INCREASED in the countries you cited versus when Bush was in the White House in '08. If you can't read the chart find an adult and ask them to explain it to you.

You think the chickenhawk Romney is going to improve over Obama while he talks tough and basically promises to be Netanyahu's puppet? I think not.
Anonymous
So we've scraped together a few achievements with nations we were already allies with. In my opinion, that doesn't make him a "master of foreign relations," as a PP claims. In the interview I posted (top 2 posts on page 5 of this thread), Obama is predicting that the Muslim world would view America differently simply because he is president and they will see that he understands them. And this will make America safer. This didn't happen, and there is still widespread antiAmerican violence in these countries. They don't see Obama as someone who understands them. He has brought most of our military home, and I'm glad he did that. But it's obvious now that the he didn't bring the troops home because the situation over there was under control. Anyone would know that in few years the Muslim countries would not just change their minds about hating USA, but Obama claimed that's what would happen in that interview.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, no one can give examples of foreign affairs successes in addition to our military killing a bunch of bad guys? Any trade agreements, brokering a peace agreement between two other nations? Anything?


Fighting two wars on two different fronts while backing the overthrow of a dictator known to have brokered the slaying of American innocence, and PP wants a peace agreement too.

That's what a "master of foreign relations" would do.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone name even one country that has a better diplomatic relationship with USA since Obama has been president?


According to this, the following countries have more confidence in Obama than Bush:

POland
Spain
Germany
Britain
France
Russia
Egypt
Turkey
Jordan
Lebanon
China
Japan
Mexico

In addition the following countries had not been polled under Bush but show high confidence in Obama: Czech Republic, Italy, India, Brazil.

Pakistan is unchanged for obvious reasons. It was the only country polled that did not show an improvement over Bush.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/chapter-3-global-opinion-of-barack-obama/


So? Eat THAT, asshat.


Not sure what to make of that comment. You asked for countries where he has improved our relationship, and I gave you a list supported by real data. Why am I an asshat for that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone name even one country that has a better diplomatic relationship with USA since Obama has been president?


According to this, the following countries have more confidence in Obama than Bush:

POland
Spain
Germany
Britain
France
Russia
Egypt
Turkey
Jordan
Lebanon
China
Japan
Mexico

In addition the following countries had not been polled under Bush but show high confidence in Obama: Czech Republic, Italy, India, Brazil.

Pakistan is unchanged for obvious reasons. It was the only country polled that did not show an improvement over Bush.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/chapter-3-global-opinion-of-barack-obama/


So? Eat THAT, asshat.


Not sure what to make of that comment. You asked for countries where he has improved our relationship, and I gave you a list supported by real data. Why am I an asshat for that?


Sorry, it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the PP claiming that Obama is ruining the US's standing across the world. You know, the one suffering from low reading comprehension. Sorry I wasn't clear - it's just that wingnuts get me steamed.
Anonymous
OK. Thx.
Anonymous
The only examples cited were people we killed. Is that all that's in his arsenal of foreign affairs? He's so charming and smart that his only foreign affairs achievements have been killing some bad guys. If he was such a "master" at foreign affairs, his administration would have have gotten Pakistan to give up Bin Laden voluntarily.

and WE should should not have had to do anything to Hitler. He got as far as he did because Europe failed to contain him. But that's another thread...


Peeps, you all do not seriously think that do you? If so, then please how Bush failed to get the Pakistanis to give up Bin Laden voluntarily after Bush et all allowed Bin Laden to escape at Tora Bora. Please explain why the U.S. troops and Coalition Provisional Authority staff were not greeted as liberators in Iraq.

Similar to the economy, I think many posters on this thread are willfully ignoring how deep of an international relations hole the US was in following a failed war of necessity and a failed war of choice. Rumsfeld and allies chose to stint on the former in order to wage the latter and both ended up being abject failures. Many of our "allies" in Iraq were there because they were being paid to do so.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The only examples cited were people we killed. Is that all that's in his arsenal of foreign affairs? He's so charming and smart that his only foreign affairs achievements have been killing some bad guys. If he was such a "master" at foreign affairs, his administration would have have gotten Pakistan to give up Bin Laden voluntarily.

and WE should should not have had to do anything to Hitler. He got as far as he did because Europe failed to contain him. But that's another thread...


Peeps, you all do not seriously think that do you? If so, then please how Bush failed to get the Pakistanis to give up Bin Laden voluntarily after Bush et all allowed Bin Laden to escape at Tora Bora. Please explain why the U.S. troops and Coalition Provisional Authority staff were not greeted as liberators in Iraq.

Similar to the economy, I think many posters on this thread are willfully ignoring how deep of an international relations hole the US was in following a failed war of necessity and a failed war of choice. Rumsfeld and allies chose to stint on the former in order to wage the latter and both ended up being abject failures. Many of our "allies" in Iraq were there because they were being paid to do so.


That is incorrect. If you are going to ignore posts which contradict you, don't expect it to go unnoticed.
Anonymous
19:35, why is it incorrect? Simply stating it is "incorrect" is insufficient. Gov Romney is quickly learning that throwing around the 47% stat without understanding what it means is coming back to haunt him.
Anonymous
Thinking in terms of the undecided (of which I am not one), I would think that they are that way because they are not entirely satisfied that Obama has done all he could or should have done on various issues, but they realize he inherited a lousy situation, has avoided calamity, and has had some real accomplishments.

I think that if they could look at Romney and be comfortable that he would do no worse and might actually do better, many of them would figure they'd chance it. But at this point, I think they see a so-so choice they know versus a shaky choice they can't trust.

That, I think, is why Obama looks like he'll win, even if a lot of us cannot wholeheartedly say yes to OP's question.
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