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But what specifically is it that you dislike about IMPACT? I understand Jeff's point (from earlier this thread) about it being forced on teachers without much consultation, so maybe there's an insurmountable image problem.
But setting aside how it was implemented, what's so wrong with the basic structure? The big change seems to be that teachers are evaluated on a consistent set of criteria by independent MEs, instead of being evaluated by their principals. And that change seems to address the biggest complaint about PPEP (i.e., biased and inconsistent evaluations by principals). It seems like people should be cheering this change, not criticizing it. And the Byzantine "90 day" system of challenges and grievances under PPEP just seems insane. It seems like that just had to go. The Washington City Paper description (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/special/2007/Bfeature0223.pdf) makes it sound pretty ridiculous. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Scores were actually improving during the PPEP years - that doesn't mean that PPEP was responsible for the increase, but it sure wasn't hurting.
No evidene IMPACT is the cause either- could be the economy, could be principal shake ups, could be curriculm. These are hard correlations to make and unfortunatley DC has never been able to accumlate the data to figure it out. |
Anonymous
Sure, but the good aspect of PPEP / 90 day was that no one ever got fired for performance ever. Which was the whole point, right? |
Anonymous
What supporting evidence do you have for this assertion? |
Anonymous
Several references have been made in the Post that only a handful of teachers were fired for performance reasons in the five years prior to Rhee's tenure. Anyone who is honestly interested and doesn't have a dog in the fight can see why here. The system was designed to make it impossible to fire folks. So it's not surprise they weren't: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/special/2007/Bfeature0223.pdf I'm assuming your supporting evidence that people were fired all the time is forthcoming. |
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Ask and you shall receive: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800719.html Clifford Janey fired 370 teachers in July 2006. He would have fired 450 more at the same time but it would have been impossible to fill that many jobs. |
Anonymous
| Those teachers were fired because they were uncertified, not because they had received poor performance evaluations under the old system. It's two different things. |
Anonymous
that's correct - but DCPS admin was happy to take credit for the increase (that now looks like it came from cheating) but now is quiet when their reforms don't seem to be resulting in higher scores. |
Anonymous
From this article, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800719.html ....
Wow! That's crazy that 25% of the DCPS teachers were uncertified. |
Anonymous
I worked for principals that were able to fire bad teachers using PPEP and the 90-day, and time/attendance, etc. |
Anonymous
Says who? There are state requirements for teachers that all must meet. The "bar" isn't any higher now. Some would say it's lower - letting in new grads with provisional certification and no student teaching experience. So after 4 years, a RIF and 2 rounds of IMPACT firings, it looks like they have been extremely ineffective at weeding people out -- or perhaps an excess of weeds was not the problem. |
Anonymous
has nothing to do with PPEP. Uncertified teachers could be let go at any time without PPEP or the 90-day plan |
Anonymous
Sorry, but posting a link to Washington City Paper does not qualify as evidence. But it did crack me up. Thank you! |
Anonymous
Sometimes it's just a matter of taking one professional development course, and teachers let it go -- of course they shouldnn't, but I bet that was the case with the ones they let stay on -- giving them a chance to do the coursework needed. Teachers need to get recertified every few years. so not being certified does not necessarily mean being a lousy teacher - it could mean not taking a course or not documenting that you took a course. |