For strong students (grades, tests, ECs), what are your child's safeties and targets?

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Anonymous wrote:Premed. Currently
Reaches: Duke, Brown,
Target: WashU, Vanderbilt
Safeties: Emory, Case Western

You need a new list.

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Anonymous wrote:From a couple of years ago...NOVA public 3.98/4.5, 1560, CS (Engineering). MAX BUDGET $55k/yr. So even if admitted, merit for OOS public and private will be needed. NO SAFETIES. Bunch of targets.
Harvard, Penn (denied)
UVA, NEU (WL)
WM, UMD, Lehigh, Pitt, BU, CWRU, Ohio St., UMN (accepted-most with merit)

Can I ask what type of merit you received?

Sure.
WM ($0, Monroe Scholar)
UMD ($10k/yr)
Lehigh (50% tuition/yr)
Pitt ($0)
BU ($25k/yr)
CWRU ($30k/yr)
Ohio St. ($16.5k/yr)
UMN ($25k/yr)
UVA WL and no money from Pitt was most disappointing, but thats life! Happily attending UMD.

Was UMN cheaper for you? I know UMD is not that hard to get into, but UMD for CS is harder to get into that non-CS majors.

PP. Yep. UMN would have been considerably cheaper than UMD

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Our DC's safety was University of Denver and American U, on top of in-state options.

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McGill University, large uni, good reputation, surprisingly easy to get into!

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Anonymous wrote:If you wonder over to the BC thread, a bunch of people there are saying BC is a safety. Maybe take a look.

BC is often seen as a safety for students shooting for Notre Dame, Duke and Vanderbilt.

But safeties vary so much depending on someone’s major and interests. A STEM kid is going to have a very different list of reaches and safeties than a liberal arts kid.

I don't think you understand fully what a safety is.

BC is more like a target, and ND, duke and Vanderbilt are reaches. Places like Fairfield, PC, ad Fordham are safeties, if you will. Some might argue Villanova, but that is no guarantee by any means. BC had an acceptance rate of 13% this year. That is not a safety.

BC 100% yield protects in RD from some privates (and maybe publics too--I don't have experience). From our private they will get 25/100 applicants who apply. They have room for 5 from this private (clearly they're not going to enroll 25 kids from one school). So they defer or deny the Ivy level kids who they know won't say yes and take the 3.7 kids who they know will accept.

This happens each year at our school. It's not a safety for high stats kids.

They accepted my 3.95 UW GPA (4.3 weighted) and 35 ACT kid regular decision. Private Catholic high school.

It’s my impression that Catholic high schools are far less reliant on ED than independent high schools. So it’s possible that BC projects yield differently depending on the type of high school (or even the specific high school).

LOL no. I am the PP and there was a large number of students who did ED into BC and many other colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:If you wonder over to the BC thread, a bunch of people there are saying BC is a safety. Maybe take a look.

BC is often seen as a safety for students shooting for Notre Dame, Duke and Vanderbilt.

But safeties vary so much depending on someone’s major and interests. A STEM kid is going to have a very different list of reaches and safeties than a liberal arts kid.

I don't think you understand fully what a safety is.

BC is more like a target, and ND, duke and Vanderbilt are reaches. Places like Fairfield, PC, ad Fordham are safeties, if you will. Some might argue Villanova, but that is no guarantee by any means. BC had an acceptance rate of 13% this year. That is not a safety.

BC 100% yield protects in RD from some privates (and maybe publics too--I don't have experience). From our private they will get 25/100 applicants who apply. They have room for 5 from this private (clearly they're not going to enroll 25 kids from one school). So they defer or deny the Ivy level kids who they know won't say yes and take the 3.7 kids who they know will accept.

This happens each year at our school. It's not a safety for high stats kids.

They accepted my 3.95 UW GPA (4.3 weighted) and 35 ACT kid regular decision. Private Catholic high school.

It’s my impression that Catholic high schools are far less reliant on ED than independent high schools. So it’s possible that BC projects yield differently depending on the type of high school (or even the specific high school).

Yes. BC knows with 110% certainty that the 3.95/35 Sidwell RD kid is not going to matriculate to BC. Therefore they yield protect him/her.
The 3.95/35 Catholic school kid may very well go to BC.

That's only because it's a "Catholic" school and BC is Catholic. BC also has very strong relationships with some of these high schools. At my kid's school, there has been about 30% acceptance rate for the past few years. Same with Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:Premed. Currently
Reaches: Duke, Brown,
Target: WashU, Vanderbilt
Safeties: Emory, Case Western

My kid was accepted to 4 Ivies RD (this year) and outright rejected from Vanderbilt and Emory RD.
They are not safeties or targets for anyone RD.

Emory is absolutely a safety and target

for very top students, yes, though WL for yield protection happens. Top kids from top privates have to play the game and apply to the rare merit scholarships at Emory Vanderbilt and others and that helps a lot. Plus do app early.

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BC is a safety and hardly worth the money.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, your state flagship is your safety. However, it is probably not true in Virginia, and definitely not true in California. Michigan in-state yes a safety for their strong kids. Every other state, Ny, NJ, probably all true that you can use in-state flagship as a safety.

Private high schools are different, many do not apply to any state schools. DC used schools like Richmond, Rochester, Case as their safeties. Full pay, all accepted.

UMD is no longer a safety for most kids in MCPS though odds are better if you are in a lower performing MCPS school. From other parts of MD, it might be a safety with decent grades. DS with a 3.85/4.5 didn’t even apply as those stats get a definite rejection at his HS. We know many 4.0/4.7 kids who didn’t get in. Every year there are a few kids who are caught off guard.

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Bucknell seems like a safety this year. Amazed at full kids admitted that couldn’t get into SEC schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Premed. Currently
Reaches: Duke, Brown,
Target: WashU, Vanderbilt
Safeties: Emory, Case Western

My kid was accepted to 4 Ivies RD (this year) and outright rejected from Vanderbilt and Emory RD.
They are not safeties or targets for anyone RD.

Emory is absolutely a safety and target

for very top students, yes, though WL for yield protection happens. Top kids from top privates have to play the game and apply to the rare merit scholarships at Emory Vanderbilt and others and that helps a lot. Plus do app early.

For very top students, for the true outliers/standouts. Not for the “average excellent”.

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Anonymous wrote:Typically, your state flagship is your safety. However, it is probably not true in Virginia, and definitely not true in California. Michigan in-state yes a safety for their strong kids. Every other state, Ny, NJ, probably all true that you can use in-state flagship as a safety.

Private high schools are different, many do not apply to any state schools. DC used schools like Richmond, Rochester, Case as their safeties. Full pay, all accepted.

UMD is no longer a safety for most kids in MCPS though odds are better if you are in a lower performing MCPS school. From other parts of MD, it might be a safety with decent grades. DS with a 3.85/4.5 didn’t even apply as those stats get a definite rejection at his HS. We know many 4.0/4.7 kids who didn’t get in. Every year there are a few kids who are caught off guard.

What % of students from your son’s school got into UMD? The GPA is indeed meaningless without the context of your school. In my kid’s school, it’s a safety for kids in the top 10% with 1500+ SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Premed. Currently
Reaches: Duke, Brown,
Target: WashU, Vanderbilt
Safeties: Emory, Case Western

My kid was accepted to 4 Ivies RD (this year) and outright rejected from Vanderbilt and Emory RD.
They are not safeties or targets for anyone RD.

Emory is absolutely a safety and target

for very top students, yes, though WL for yield protection happens. Top kids from top privates have to play the game and apply to the rare merit scholarships at Emory Vanderbilt and others and that helps a lot. Plus do app early.

The tippy top student should apply to merit scholarships at Emory, Vanderbilt, WashU, etc. to overcome yield management. But would they really attend if they got the full tuition / full ride?

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Anonymous wrote:BC is a safety and hardly worth the money.

BC hater mom is here! So dependable.

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Anonymous wrote:Premed. Currently
Reaches: Duke, Brown,
Target: WashU, Vanderbilt
Safeties: Emory, Case Western

Im assuming you're the president and your child is applying right?

Safeties are high test optional schools.

Those arent high TO schools. Around 70% of Emory and Case students submit test scores. Only 50% of Vandy students submit. 60% of WashU students submit so wouldn't those be the safeties?

No, Emory was 32% TO last cycle and 37% plus previous cycles. That's high. Plus 32% below median test scores gives hope.

Are you agreeing with me? or? Yeah, if 32% are TO, that means around 70% submitted scores. Are you okay? And that's higher than every other school pp listed.