DCI or Stuart Hobson for anxious child

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

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So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

Sent too soon!

So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

Sent too soon!

So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

Any calculation that starts with a guess that 1/3rd of DCPS kids are in middle school is going nowhere very quickly... Not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

Sent too soon!

So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

This is publicly available data. You can look it up yourself.

Also 1/3 of students in middle school is such a laughably bad assumption. Are you sure you care about math?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

This is definitely the angry PP sock-puppeting and pretending to be another poster. If you’re going to keep claiming that DC grade level is somehow different than everywhere else, let’s hear some details.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

This is definitely the angry PP sock-puppeting and pretending to be another poster. If you’re going to keep claiming that DC grade level is somehow different than everywhere else, let’s hear some details.

Also, the idea that SH of all schools doesn't have enough middle school extracurriculars is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

Sent too soon!

So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

This is publicly available data. You can look it up yourself.

Also 1/3 of students in middle school is such a laughably bad assumption. Are you sure you care about math?

Why doesn’t the PP who picked and chose her data tell us?

She has gone silent because it doesn’t fit her narrative maybe

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

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So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

Any calculation that starts with a guess that 1/3rd of DCPS kids are in middle school is going nowhere very quickly... Not even close.

It is an estimate. That is not the point. Even if it is less and 12000 who cares?

The point is that it is shocking how low the numbers are for Algebra 1 in middle school which is already a low, low bar.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

Sent too soon!

So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

This is publicly available data. You can look it up yourself.

Also 1/3 of students in middle school is such a laughably bad assumption. Are you sure you care about math?

Why doesn’t the PP who picked and chose her data tell us?

She has gone silent because it doesn’t fit her narrative maybe

You are the one who cares about how many scored a 4 vs a 5. I don't.

Again, you're welcome to look it up yourself. It's really not difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

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So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

Any calculation that starts with a guess that 1/3rd of DCPS kids are in middle school is going nowhere very quickly... Not even close.

It is an estimate. That is not the point. Even if it is less and 12000 who cares?

The point is that it is shocking how low the numbers are for Algebra 1 in middle school which is already a low, low bar.

Nobody is going to take your whinging about math seriously when you can't even bother to make plausible assumptions, much less provide any data to back up your assertions.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I’m not familiar with DCI, but am intimately acquainted with Stuart-Hobson since I work there. Like most middle schools, it has its challenges (hallway transitions can be noisy, DCPS mandates don’t always make sense) but it’s a solid school with a large cohort of high-performing kids and increasing buy-in from families who live in boundary.

Off the top of my head, I can think of dozens of girls at Stuart-Hobson who sound similar to your daughter, and they are having good experiences at the school. Advanced course offerings in math, award-winning extracurricular activities, an incredible school library, and most importantly, solid teachers with classroom management experience.

However, Stuart-Hobson can’t compete with DCI when it comes to language offerings, so I w

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So I would go for DCI if she wants to continue advancing in her second language.

DCI has way more advance offerings in math. SH math is not advance, it’s basically grade level.

This is not true. The math at Stuart Hobson is the lowest, most remedial math track possible for middle school. When you leave for high school your child will be de facto placed in the lowest and slowest math track.

It would be helpful if you explained why instead of just repeating the same claim over and over again. What makes it so low? What level are they teaching and why is this bad/wrong? What should they be doing? Do other DCPS middles do it differently?

NP. I’m not the PP but many kids who take Algebra 1 in 8th who go on to selective schools take a test for math placement and many end up repeating Algebra 1 in 9th.

This also applies to privates where they have to go down a level in math based on testing.

Math is just weak in DCPS. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything.

I'm guessing the kids scoring 4+ on the Algebra I CAPE are not in that camp.

70% of S-H students got a 4+.

Sorry but so many families in DCPS are supplementing in math. That is the closed door secret no one is telling you. Be prepared to do so to get that grade level 4.

All 632 middle schoolers with a 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry are supplementing. Got it.

No idea where you got number above because the whole school is about 483 kids and 32% kids 4+ and on grade level and up, not 70%. That’s about 154 kids across 3 grades so 50 kids on average per grade on grade level.

https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/lea/1/school/428/report#measure-100

PP said "families in DCPS." 632 middle schoolers across DCPS scored 4+ in Algebra I or Geometry in SY24-25. 39 from S-H.

Wow only 632 students in all of DCPS on grade level or higher?? That is so so embarrassing low.

How many above grade level with 5? I’m guessing 150? Why doesn’t the PP above tell is?

Kids in MS algebra and geometry are already 1-2 grade levels above. There are plenty of other kids across DCPS taking grade level math and getting 4s and 5s.

MS Algebra 1 is grade level, not above. Geometry is 1 grade level above.

Why doesn’t PP get back to us with the breakdown of how many kids in MS Algebra 1 that is 4 vs geometry that is 4. How many Algebra 1 that is 5 and geometry that is 5.

I bet overwhelming majority of numbers above are just Algebra 1 that is 4 and in high 500’s or 600 is low.

There are about 51,000 kids in DCPS so let’s say there 1/3rd of those are in middle school so 17,000. 600 is just 3% of the kids on grade level in Algebra 1 in middle school. Those numbers are nothing to be celebrating folks. It’s the opposite when you put it into context.

Any calculation that starts with a guess that 1/3rd of DCPS kids are in middle school is going nowhere very quickly... Not even close.

It is an estimate. That is not the point. Even if it is less and 12000 who cares?

The point is that it is shocking how low the numbers are for Algebra 1 in middle school which is already a low, low bar.

Nobody is going to take your whinging about math seriously when you can't even bother to make plausible assumptions, much less provide any data to back up your assertions.

Different poster here: if you don’t take the dcps math curriculum issue seriously the only one paying the price is your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

This is definitely the angry PP sock-puppeting and pretending to be another poster. If you’re going to keep claiming that DC grade level is somehow different than everywhere else, let’s hear some details.

Also, the idea that SH of all schools doesn't have enough middle school extracurriculars is laughable.

Your standards are too low.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

This is definitely the angry PP sock-puppeting and pretending to be another poster. If you’re going to keep claiming that DC grade level is somehow different than everywhere else, let’s hear some details.

I don’t understand why you’re going so hard against people giving valid criticisms to this school. I really don’t. You get mad when people say it’s unacceptable, and you get mad when people explain how the easy commute is a farce if you want to do right by your child. Stay angry.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see anything wrong with supplementing. Honestly, I like supplementing. I figure out what my kid is either super interested in or needs reinforcement in, and we find things that work. Unless we sent our kid to some super bespoke private school that met all of our needs or interests (which I’m not sure exists) I would expect to keep doing it.

I think supplementing means different things to different people. I wouldn't expect any school to do a lot of the things I do with my kids; we do them and are happy to do them because they match our family's specific personal interests and/or values. But I would be super annoyed if I felt I needed to pay for math or ELA tutoring just to keep up with grade-level expectations.

You are going to have to supplement in DCPS no matter what. The issue is how much are you willing to do because the fact is all subjects are weak and not just math.

Don’t get me into science with Amblify and the new ELA curriculum.

It’s way too much. You only have so much time in the day and your kid will be miserable and angry forcing them to supplement so much. People just opt out and leave DCPS.

I really considered going to my inbound dcps (Stuart Hobson) if only for sanity and a good commute. But when I realized the amount of supplementation i needed to do just to get them to bare minimum grade level elsewhere (not dcps grade level that’s a joke) I would not be improving my sanity or shortening my commute since I would just end up driving all over the place anyway and spending my weekends trying to force my kid to read actual books and engage in extracurriculars. Yes there are some ECs in SH, but not enough. That’s basically all dcps. Fine but not enough. I’d rather spend the money and time commuting to a school that challenged my kid, not at kumon or whatever.

This is definitely the angry PP sock-puppeting and pretending to be another poster. If you’re going to keep claiming that DC grade level is somehow different than everywhere else, let’s hear some details.

Also, the idea that SH of all schools doesn't have enough middle school extracurriculars is laughable.

Your standards are too low.

+1 The EC and sports are not good in DCPS except maybe the schools WOTP which are decent but nothing like the burbs.