Algebra 1 6th Grade 26-27

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had to make this decision twice with my current ninth grader and sixth grader. And speaking to various middle school math teachers, they all agreed that doing algebra and sixth or even seventh grade is not a great idea. The issue so much is not algebra one, but that young brains are not developed enough for the abstract concepts in algebra II.

Pre-algebra teaches key concepts not offered in math 7H. They have changed all the naming conventions for the math classes, but there is a gap if you don't take pre-algebra.

My eldest took algebra honors in eighth grade and is taking geometry honors in ninth. As in both. He says it's a touch easy, but that's okay because it allows him to focus on the humanities classes which are harder for him.

Good grief! There are plenty of young brains that are perfectly developed and ready for this acceleration. Brains don't "age" the way you seem to think. The real issues for acceleration are that the kid may not have enough natural aptitude in math, the kid may have foundational holes, or the kid might not even like math that much.

My kid sailed through algebra I in 4th, Algebra II in 6th, and AP Calculus in 8th with zero issues. I'll have to go back and tell him that his brain wasn't "old" enough to handle the abstractions.

Which school did he go to where 4th graders took high school algebra 1 for credit?

It's rare, but has happened in FCPS within the last 10 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've had to make this decision twice with my current ninth grader and sixth grader. And speaking to various middle school math teachers, they all agreed that doing algebra and sixth or even seventh grade is not a great idea. The issue so much is not algebra one, but that young brains are not developed enough for the abstract concepts in algebra II.

Pre-algebra teaches key concepts not offered in math 7H. They have changed all the naming conventions for the math classes, but there is a gap if you don't take pre-algebra.

My eldest took algebra honors in eighth grade and is taking geometry honors in ninth. As in both. He says it's a touch easy, but that's okay because it allows him to focus on the humanities classes which are harder for him.

Good grief! There are plenty of young brains that are perfectly developed and ready for this acceleration. Brains don't "age" the way you seem to think. The real issues for acceleration are that the kid may not have enough natural aptitude in math, the kid may have foundational holes, or the kid might not even like math that much.

My kid sailed through algebra I in 4th, Algebra II in 6th, and AP Calculus in 8th with zero issues. I'll have to go back and tell him that his brain wasn't "old" enough to handle the abstractions.

Also, forgot to add:
We should be talking about "young brains" that are 99th percentile +, so none of the conventional rules apply. Arguments about brains being "too young" or "too undeveloped" fly right out the window when you're talking about gifted children.

Except most of these kids in AAP/advanced math are more like 50th-75th percentile.

Almost every kid in AAP/advanced math are somewhere in the 85th-99th percentile in quantitative measures. The kids specifically invited to take 6th grade Algebra should be testing in the 99th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

[Anonymous]

A pass proficient only requires kids to get about 65% of the questions right. So get the equivalent of a D and you can skip 2 years of math.

[Anonymous]

This is nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

Yup. Principals are flabbergasted. Parents should be too. Getting a 400 on an SOL does not mean you should skip 7th and 8th grade math and jump into Algebra 1. I think it should be pass advanced and 98th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

What is this digital consent? I don’t see anything in parentvue.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know if they are tracking rising 5th graders for 6th grade algebra 1? I am not interested for my son and don't want him put in a class where they skip a ton of material to try to get there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

Yup. Principals are flabbergasted. Parents should be too. Getting a 400 on an SOL does not mean you should skip 7th and 8th grade math and jump into Algebra 1. I think it should be pass advanced and 98th percentile.

I think they should require pass advanced on SOL and 91st percentile on IAAT. That was the requirement 2 yrs ago for 6th graders entering 7th. Seems like a pretty good indicator of readiness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

What is this digital consent? I don’t see anything in parentvue.

I don’t see anything either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

Yup. Principals are flabbergasted. Parents should be too. Getting a 400 on an SOL does not mean you should skip 7th and 8th grade math and jump into Algebra 1. I think it should be pass advanced and 98th percentile.

I think they should require pass advanced on SOL and 91st percentile on IAAT. That was the requirement 2 yrs ago for 6th graders entering 7th. Seems like a pretty good indicator of readiness.

Well now anyone who passes can sign up. Reid should be fired. She is incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

I'm all for allowing 6th graders to take Algebra, but that is crazy. It should be for the kids who are consistently 99th percentile. If a kid is barely proficient with 6th grade math, they have no business jumping up several years to algebra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

I'm all for allowing 6th graders to take Algebra, but that is crazy. It should be for the kids who are consistently 99th percentile. If a kid is barely proficient with 6th grade math, they have no business jumping up several years to algebra.

Exactly. Let’s actually have standards for kids skipping over pre algebra completely. - AAP Math teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the street is any kid in 5th advanced who passes the 6th grade SOL (not pass advanced, just passes) will be eligible for algebra 1. If you have a kid in 5th advanced, check the digital consent in ParentVue today. There’s an opt in/opt out there now due by May 8. Principals were not notified until today.

My kids are older and I have no dog in this fight but that's a terrible policy. I hope teachers and parents raise hell at the next School Board meeting.

[Anonymous]

What I keep hearing is that the powers that be “don’t want to gatekeep rigor” and “parents should be able to decide.”

I have a few theories. The FCPS math office people HATE 6th grade algebra 1 (they aren’t fans of advanced math in elementary in general and already managed to essentially get rid of it for 3rd-4th grade). The terrible rollout and worse eligibility change for next year are so bad I wonder if there’s an element of malicious compliance/self-sabotage.