Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs

[Anonymous]

What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Because this isn’t a culminating meet. The best Senior swimmers have NCSA in 2 weeks, so many are doing a reduced schedule at this meet and/or swimming off events. The cuts times are so easy and there are so many heats of finals that the best swimmers are qualified in all events and don’t have to push particularly hard to make finals. This is just a meet to get some racing in for those kids.

[Anonymous]

I agree with this but I will say for many kids it is still a meaningful meet. Some kids are close to sectional cuts and going for those. I’m not sure how you change things.

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Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Because this isn’t a culminating meet. The best Senior swimmers have NCSA in 2 weeks, so many are doing a reduced schedule at this meet and/or swimming off events. The cuts times are so easy and there are so many heats of finals that the best swimmers are qualified in all events and don’t have to push particularly hard to make finals. This is just a meet to get some racing in for those kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where? I’ve looked multiple times now and don’t see links to any of them? Would appreciate you helping if you were able to navigate to those more easily- thanks!

Here: https://katiepalavecino.wixsite.com/pvswim/pvs-open-champs under the Meet Programs and Psych Sheets heading. Top right, immediately below the PVS SC Open Champs banner.

I’m so confused. How do you get from her main page to this page (link posted) above? I’m sure it’s a me problem but I just don’t get it.

Did she post the 14&U meet info?

-click results. It’s the third button down.

-she will not post the 14&U info because she’s not hosting that meet. It’s being hosted by TOLL.

SHE. Is the webmaster for PVS and not with PAC. She should post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Agree that kids are just practicing at this meet for NCSAs and Sectionals if not that fast. Our coaches are looking at them race and tweaking for the real meet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with this but I will say for many kids it is still a meaningful meet. Some kids are close to sectional cuts and going for those. I’m not sure how you change things.

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Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Because this isn’t a culminating meet. The best Senior swimmers have NCSA in 2 weeks, so many are doing a reduced schedule at this meet and/or swimming off events. The cuts times are so easy and there are so many heats of finals that the best swimmers are qualified in all events and don’t have to push particularly hard to make finals. This is just a meet to get some racing in for those kids.

I agree it’s meaningful for a lot of kids, but just not for the best of the best in PVS, which is why it has something of a watered down feel. There is the same issue at summer LC champs with Futures and summer NCSA being a few weeks later. I know the generous cut times make the meet more accessible for different levels of swimmers but I think the cut times need to be tightened up if you want this meet to have more of a champs feel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with this but I will say for many kids it is still a meaningful meet. Some kids are close to sectional cuts and going for those. I’m not sure how you change things.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Because this isn’t a culminating meet. The best Senior swimmers have NCSA in 2 weeks, so many are doing a reduced schedule at this meet and/or swimming off events. The cuts times are so easy and there are so many heats of finals that the best swimmers are qualified in all events and don’t have to push particularly hard to make finals. This is just a meet to get some racing in for those kids.

I agree it’s meaningful for a lot of kids, but just not for the best of the best in PVS, which is why it has something of a watered down feel. There is the same issue at summer LC champs with Futures and summer NCSA being a few weeks later. I know the generous cut times make the meet more accessible for different levels of swimmers but I think the cut times need to be tightened up if you want this meet to have more of a champs feel.

I would suggest not having bonus events as well. Or minimum times for bonus events. They really slow the meet down.

[Anonymous]

Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

[Anonymous]

My husband said they need 11 timers so they won’t let people in until they get them

Anonymous wrote:Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

They don't let parents in until they get enough volunteers. This is standard practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband said they need 11 timers so they won’t let people in until they get them

Anonymous wrote:Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

Oh God, the volunteer issues have already started! They sent a sign up with slots apportioned by team and site (for RMSC and NCAP), I thought they were just going to make the coaches from the teams/sites with empty slots time if they didn’t have enough volunteers. If your team/site filled their slots, or you are volunteering during another session this weekend, you should not be locked out of the viewing area. Why do they never make any effort to fix this problem?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with this but I will say for many kids it is still a meaningful meet. Some kids are close to sectional cuts and going for those. I’m not sure how you change things.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a joke of a culminating meet. Has to be one of the worst among the big USA Swimming LSC’s year after year

Because this isn’t a culminating meet. The best Senior swimmers have NCSA in 2 weeks, so many are doing a reduced schedule at this meet and/or swimming off events. The cuts times are so easy and there are so many heats of finals that the best swimmers are qualified in all events and don’t have to push particularly hard to make finals. This is just a meet to get some racing in for those kids.

I agree it’s meaningful for a lot of kids, but just not for the best of the best in PVS, which is why it has something of a watered down feel. There is the same issue at summer LC champs with Futures and summer NCSA being a few weeks later. I know the generous cut times make the meet more accessible for different levels of swimmers but I think the cut times need to be tightened up if you want this meet to have more of a champs feel.

I would suggest not having bonus events as well. Or minimum times for bonus events. They really slow the meet down.

There is definitely not a need for bonus events with cut times that are this easy. The cut times are essentially the same as the 13-14 cut times. If a 16 year old can’t hit the cut time they don’t need to be swimming that event at this meet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where? I’ve looked multiple times now and don’t see links to any of them? Would appreciate you helping if you were able to navigate to those more easily- thanks!

Here: https://katiepalavecino.wixsite.com/pvswim/pvs-open-champs under the Meet Programs and Psych Sheets heading. Top right, immediately below the PVS SC Open Champs banner.

I’m so confused. How do you get from her main page to this page (link posted) above? I’m sure it’s a me problem but I just don’t get it.

Did she post the 14&U meet info?

-click results. It’s the third button down.

-she will not post the 14&U info because she’s not hosting that meet. It’s being hosted by TOLL.

SHE. Is the webmaster for PVS and not with PAC. She should post.

I’m sure she will create a similar site for the AG meet that will be available next week. We were sent the meet info by our coaches already so your club should have it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

They don't let parents in until they get enough volunteers. This is standard practice.

But it hasn’t been standard practice to charge admission for this meet. Use the ticket takers they could find as backup timers since some clubs didn’t/can’t fill their slots. I’m pissed to be paying admission and not let in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why haven’t they let people in yet? It’s 7:30. We are all stuck line sardines in the vestibule and hallway.

They don't let parents in until they get enough volunteers. This is standard practice.

But it hasn’t been standard practice to charge admission for this meet. Use the ticket takers they could find as backup timers since some clubs didn’t/can’t fill their slots. I’m pissed to be paying admission and not let in.

Exactly. You can lock people out of a free thing to coerce them into timing, but you can't take someone's money and then refuse them what you already charged them for.