First D1 school with full international roster - depressing

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Ye hard luck mate! I to would be raging if my Johnny came out pretty mediocre after 5-8-10 years of paying absurd fees to play soccer while my kid learned genuine football for essentially Pennies if not free and now he’s getting a degree for the lowlow if not free while you gotta get debt or refinance the house for a lousy degree.

I'm not big on poetry, but that was beautiful. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised it was a public school in Missouri that chose to do this. Clearly the administration at Missouri State is politically inept. Red State America loves defunding schools like Missouri State that give all their spots to foreigners. The State Legislature is not going to like this. Won't be surprised if Missouri State has a very tough time making payroll in the years ahead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

But not recruiting? Need that hook?

So much for a level playing field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised it was a public school in Missouri that chose to do this. Clearly the administration at Missouri State is politically inept. Red State America loves defunding schools like Missouri State that give all their spots to foreigners. The State Legislature is not going to like this. Won't be surprised if Missouri State has a very tough time making payroll in the years ahead.

lol that you think state legislators GAF about the soccer team of a mid-tier public university.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

But not recruiting? Need that hook?

So much for a level playing field.

Level playing field for what? college admissions? I am confident my kid can get into a school on his academics. So I’m not sure what kind of trolling you’re after but it’s not working. My kid isn’t looking for a hook for admissions for soccer. He’s looking to play college soccer in the US D1.

And under your own argument, these international players are getting a hook into the schools. You think these players have 4.5 GPA and 1500+ on SATs? Did they even take the SATs? I can’t even understand what you’re arguing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised it was a public school in Missouri that chose to do this. Clearly the administration at Missouri State is politically inept. Red State America loves defunding schools like Missouri State that give all their spots to foreigners. The State Legislature is not going to like this. Won't be surprised if Missouri State has a very tough time making payroll in the years ahead.

lol that you think state legislators GAF about the soccer team of a mid-tier public university.

All it takes is one legislator to get a bee in his/her bonnet about it and it will become an issue. That's just politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

But not recruiting? Need that hook?

So much for a level playing field.

Level playing field for what? college admissions? I am confident my kid can get into a school on his academics. So I’m not sure what kind of trolling you’re after but it’s not working. My kid isn’t looking for a hook for admissions for soccer. He’s looking to play college soccer in the US D1.

And under your own argument, these international players are getting a hook into the schools. You think these players have 4.5 GPA and 1500+ on SATs? Did they even take the SATs? I can’t even understand what you’re arguing.

Of course they have a hook. All recruited players have a hook. Arguably the biggest hook in admissions. Just like your kid. You just don’t like that int’l players might have a bigger hook. Oh well. That’s the game, right?

[Anonymous]

Who gives a flip about college soccer at D3 schools anyway except for the players and their parents. Look at the stands, high school draws more fans.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Maybe they will graduate and stay in the US and coach our Club teams. Then WE can field better developed players.

If these kids were superstars they'd be in their home countries playing professionally at some level. Believe it.

But they are better than the US kids?

Yes, they are better than US kids. And I don't mind the best kids coming here to play soccer, tennis or any sport if they are paying full tuition rates, like most international students who are paying full tuition. But when a public college pays international students to play a sport, they are using public money (my tax dollars, your tax dollars) to fund that student, rather than an American student. And that I am not ok with

someone should do
The American thing and sue

Ye hard luck mate! I to would be raging if my Johnny came out pretty mediocre after 5-8-10 years of paying absurd fees to play soccer while my kid learned genuine football for essentially Pennies if not free and now he’s getting a degree for the lowlow if not free while you gotta get debt or refinance the house for a lousy degree.

Good job you didn't pay "absurd fees" to teach you how write coherently. It would be money wasted. Innit?

Sounds like someone got heated and resorts to judging a post on a forum as a comparable metric to the money and time you spend on socca… to then see your college “options” reduced to virtually nothing because immigrants are better. Hurt much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who gives a flip about college soccer at D3 schools anyway except for the players and their parents. Look at the stands, high school draws more fans.

You can go ahead and remove “at D3” from the above post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Open borders except when it affects my kids chance to play non scholarship soccer. Cut off the colleges money, pass laws that advantage my kids, quotas to make it “fair”. Do you people hear yourselves.

Almost every professional league in the world has some kind of homegrown rule to protect development of their academy players. Why is it unreasonable to expect that public schools, funded by tax payer money, have some rules to promote and give preference to people from their state?

NP. And this could be said of every aspect of immigrants getting services over our own poor.

Nope, it could not. Immigrants who are here illegally don’t get services anyway. Report after report shows they contribute more to the economy than they get back. Immigrants who are here legally are just as entitled to services. Or maybe all of you are Native American?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Maybe they will graduate and stay in the US and coach our Club teams. Then WE can field better developed players.

If these kids were superstars they'd be in their home countries playing professionally at some level. Believe it.

But they are better than the US kids?

Yes, they are better than US kids. And I don't mind the best kids coming here to play soccer, tennis or any sport if they are paying full tuition rates, like most international students who are paying full tuition. But when a public college pays international students to play a sport, they are using public money (my tax dollars, your tax dollars) to fund that student, rather than an American student. And that I am not ok with

someone should do
The American thing and sue

Ye hard luck mate! I to would be raging if my Johnny came out pretty mediocre after 5-8-10 years of paying absurd fees to play soccer while my kid learned genuine football for essentially Pennies if not free and now he’s getting a degree for the lowlow if not free while you gotta get debt or refinance the house for a lousy degree.

Good job you didn't pay "absurd fees" to teach you how write coherently. It would be money wasted. Innit?

Sounds like someone got heated and resorts to judging a post on a forum as a comparable metric to the money and time you spend on socca… to then see your college “options” reduced to virtually nothing because immigrants are better. Hurt much?

My point stands if that is what you took away from my post. I don't know how, "socca" is an insult. Your grandad likely used "soccer" and "football" interchangeably. Provided your family could afford Sky Sports you'd easily remember Soccer Saturday in the late 80's and early 90's.

I'm not worried at all. Nor am I heated about anything. I was simply having a laugh at your miserable attempt to put together coherent thoughts into writing. Ah, the vaunted British education. I'm guessing you failed yourself somewhere along the line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

But not recruiting? Need that hook?

So much for a level playing field.

Level playing field for what? college admissions? I am confident my kid can get into a school on his academics. So I’m not sure what kind of trolling you’re after but it’s not working. My kid isn’t looking for a hook for admissions for soccer. He’s looking to play college soccer in the US D1.

And under your own argument, these international players are getting a hook into the schools. You think these players have 4.5 GPA and 1500+ on SATs? Did they even take the SATs? I can’t even understand what you’re arguing.

Of course they have a hook. All recruited players have a hook. Arguably the biggest hook in admissions. Just like your kid. You just don’t like that int’l players might have a bigger hook. Oh well. That’s the game, right?

No. Are you day drinking? I can’t even understand how your dots connect. It’s college. International players who are coming over here just to get paid can go MLS where they are paid. I don’t want to see a 23 year old freshman from Italy who’s just here for the money at the sacrifice of someone actually here to get an education. For a sport that doesn’t even pay the bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every soccer team at every college loses money for the college. Every single one. International players are not about making money. They are about winning. Sports is about winning. If you aren’t doing everything you can to win then you will be replaced by someone who will. Sports culture is winning culture. Do we really want to make sports not about winning? Sports is close to the only true (not perfect) meritocracy around where performance is settled in the arena. Are people really saying meritocracy is bad now just because it’s in an area their kids can’t win?

Then we have lost the plot for American college sports. I have zero problem with this for actual pro sports. But this is college. And considering several colleges don't even have mens soccer teams anymore (which is a topic for another thread), the opportunities are even less for US soccer players to play at the college level. Colleges are now hiring recruiting assistants from overseas as well (look at Missouri State who got theirs from Italy). American kids should have the opportunity to play at American colleges. I don't know any other country that would allow this on this level if the roles were reversed.

So it’s about love of the game?

BS. It’s about winning until the system starts to work against your kid.

Get rid of recruiting, NIL and the portal and then get back to us.

I have zero problem getting rid of NIL and the portal. taking your trolling somewhere else.

But not recruiting? Need that hook?

So much for a level playing field.

Level playing field for what? college admissions? I am confident my kid can get into a school on his academics. So I’m not sure what kind of trolling you’re after but it’s not working. My kid isn’t looking for a hook for admissions for soccer. He’s looking to play college soccer in the US D1.

And under your own argument, these international players are getting a hook into the schools. You think these players have 4.5 GPA and 1500+ on SATs? Did they even take the SATs? I can’t even understand what you’re arguing.

Of course they have a hook. All recruited players have a hook. Arguably the biggest hook in admissions. Just like your kid. You just don’t like that int’l players might have a bigger hook. Oh well. That’s the game, right?

No. Are you day drinking? I can’t even understand how your dots connect. It’s college. International players who are coming over here just to get paid can go MLS where they are paid. I don’t want to see a 23 year old freshman from Italy who’s just here for the money at the sacrifice of someone actually here to get an education. For a sport that doesn’t even pay the bills.

But those players come for the education, too. And the chance to play. Just like your kid.